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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I apologize. I am not a SJW who claims that anyone who disagrees with them is "complicit" in all that goes wrong.

    They are a fault mostly of Society in general.
     
  2. Robert E Allen

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    Nope they are the fault of the people who do them.

    Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for your actions regardless of the circumstances.

    Humans suck at being adults and we are getting worse and worse at it.
     
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    I disagree 100%. Most Middle Class and Upper Class people can not understand the lives of disadvantaged people.
     
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    When i make it to the middle class I'll let you know.
     
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    I wish you best luck!

    Sadly, I am also in a bad situation. I never thought of self-harm. My situation is not nearly that bad..

    I am disabled and unemployed.
     
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    I grew up wanting to harm myself. Well not that really that but wanting my life not to continue .. I've grown mostly out of it but it's very challenging for me to maintain a positive outlook .

    We disagree a lot but i appreciate that we can maintain a mostly civil discourse.
    Thank you for that.
     
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    I wish you best luck!

    I am not a Leftist -- I am Humanitarian.
     
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    The present individual behind the account recognizes that continued existence serves no meaningful purpose, as the world is filled with billions of individuals who would not be missed and can easily be replaced by others if they should go missing. While simultaneously recognizing that ending their existence in response would still produce no meaningful results, thus making their death as meaningless as their life and is unable to justify either course of action.
     
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    Most Americans -- Jews, Christians, Muslims understand that Humans are created by G-d. No Human has a right to destroy the life which was given to them by G-d.
     
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    I disagree. God was very clear that government carries the sword for a reason.
    Killing in self defense is ok
    Killing in war is ok
    Government putting people to death after due process is ok
    These are in fsct rights.
     
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    According to Judaism, suicide is almost never permissible.

    According to Christianity it is never OK.
     
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    Perhaps it is not, but there is nothing that can be done to stop it, or otherwise stop individuals from desiring to do such. Simple condemnation is not going to work, nor will treating individuals as if they are commodities owned by the government serve to encourage good mental health.
     
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    In Scandinavia and Canada there is less crime and suicide. All people in need are provided by Society.

    Millionaires and Billionaires would not suffer if they have to pay higher taxes.
     
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    Only some people in need are provided, but not everyone. Such is nothing more than a myth. The nations are very discriminatory is who they provide assistance to, and who they do not.

    They would simply refuse to participate in the system and move their resources outside of the reach of the united states. Just as they have already demonstrated that they will do and have done. Such is why so much business is done overseas.
     
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    If there was global system of taxation of the very rich, everyone would win.
     
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    Or they would simply ensure, through directed lobbying and knowing who to bribe, there were enough loopholes for them to exploit so they do not actually have to pay what is deemed to be their fair share. Just as is being done presently.
     
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    Sad but true -- they would not suffer if they have to pay 60% to 80% of their personal income.
     
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    They will, however, ensure that others suffer as a result if they are forced to pay such high amounts.
     
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    No but America would if they left.. France was crippled by high taxes on the rich and the exodus it caused.
     
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    Sad reality. Sadly millionaires and billionaires have ways of evading taxes. Even if millions of poor people suffer as a result.
     
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    Poor don't suffer because of a lack of taxes collected .
     
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    They suffer as a result of insufficient funding of State charity.
     
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    No such thing as state charity...

    The stste has all the money it needs, government just wastes it
     
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