89% of all Crime in NYC Nonwhite

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  1. Taxonomy26

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    Again, you post your apologetics/lying with statistics.
    Here's the bigger pic.
    Your responses are my lay-ups.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    Homicide
    According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.[42][43][44]
    [.....]
    Robbery
    According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites.
    Robberies with White victims and Black offenders were more than 12x more common than the reverse.[50][51]...
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    This doesn't debunk my point. 52% of all murders is still around 3 to 7 thousand murders per year. So the volume of murders is low to begin with. Murder of course not even being the main reason for prison time. Robbery and homicide even combined isn't even half as much as people getting arrested for drug offenses.

    It's funny how people like you love to talk about black arrest as it's the gospel. But then try to slyly toss out 50% of all murders are done by black people. As if the 2 have anything to do with each other. What you'll leave out is that murder isn't all that common, and most black people are in jail for drug abuse. What you'll also leave out is the increase of white drug abusers, and how their arrest aren't matching up with black people, despite doing more drugs on average. But hey, the justice system is perfect, and blacks are only getting arrested because they're dumb, violent, and inferior. Let's just go with that
     
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    Your posts, again, are so obtuse.
    How can you be so Inexact/fudgy as "3 to 7000 murders", when we have the Total Murders for 2015 as 15,696.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/us/murder-crime-fbi.html
    52.5% of that number is 8240.
    2016 final numbers aren't in yet, but all indications that was a substantial increase in big cities. (meaning black). Chicago alone was responsible for 43.7% of the big city increase. with a total of 762 murders.

    My approximation for 2016 is Blacks will be responsible 55+% of app 16k murders, IOW, somewhere in the 9000 range.

    Huh?
    Another bizarro claim.
    As far as homicides we have the precise number and who did them, not just 'arrests'.
    AGAIN from my last/Wiki:
    Homicide
    According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008...
    The Offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites...
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    Even if it were higher than whites. iT still does not mean that majority of all blacks are murders. But I feel this is the subtext to your claims. Murder is not a problem among whites or blacks. Yet you seem to think saying that blacks murder more than whites is somehow the same as saying a good majority of blacks are murders. Which of course is false.
     
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    NO one claimed a "majority of Blacks are Murderers"!
    LOFL
    AND, one doesn't have to show that (your goofy/obtuse drift) they are Inordinately prone to Violent Crime.
    With 8 Times the Murder and robbery Rate of whites.
    Perhaps 30x the rate of Asians.

    And of course, roughly 33% of Black Men have been in the penal system.


    Again, thanks for the bump and lay up.
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    Someone can blame the penal system due to the War On Drugs, which is an immoral war. A lot of black people do sell drugs, and a lot of black people are on drugs. But this isn't any more endemic in the black community vs the white community. If anything there are more white communities where drugs are more prominent, however there hasn't been the same police response or arrest rates. Heroin is almost at epidemic levels for white people in this country, but you don't see police rounding up white people and sending them all to prison like you saw blacks with crack. As to why this is the case, many will say it's an easy example of racism. I'll take it further. I think police are more hesistant to go after whites because whites are majority, and white people distrusting police en masse will create major public distrust in police and the government as a whole. So it's easier to go after black and brown people who aren't the majority, because people will just view them as criminals and think any treatment they get is totally justified. But once every 15 year old white kid shooting up heroin starts getting life sentences in prison, then people will ask for a stop to this. So racism is more of a symptom, but the problem doesn't start with it. As white people become less of the majority, there may be more police who go after them because they can't influence anything at a massive scale anymore. but we'll see.
     
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    There is a much simpler, much more effective way of dealing with the war on drugs. However the united states society does not have the appetite for actually engaging in such measures.

    Prohibition has been tried numerous times, and numerous times it has failed miserably. Perhaps it is finally time for the society of the united states to experience the full, overwhelming weight and cost of their desire to see illicit substances made legal for recreational use, and comprehend just what they are asking for. As those indulging in such substances die off in large numbers through overdosing, and left to decay where others must walk through their daily lives, the significance of their decisions will be made quite clear to them. No one will be able to claim ignorance, and that they had no idea of just how dangerous the use of such substances was. Eventually there will be no one left to become addicted or die of overdoses, and the matter will solve itself. That is ultimately what is desired, is it not?

    If individuals wish to knowingly engage in reckless and criminal behavior, they will suffer the consequences of their actions one way or another. They are obviously being done no favors by their government fighting so hard to keep them alive through prohibitions and regulations, so perhaps it is time for a change of pace, and the consequences of their decisions made as plain as day. When children have to see their parents, siblings, and friends laying dead in the streets and on sidewalks as their bodies decompose while others have to walk over them, they will understand the true societal cost of the use of illicit substances. They will no longer question what is wrong with the recreational use of illicit substances, as they will understand why such narcotics were prohibited in the first place.

    If the public does not wish to accept that there are certain substances that should not be used, then allowing them to experience the folly of their decisions is the most logical course of action. The more the matter is resisted and fought, the more they are glamorized and desired by the public. It would be the most logical course of action to engage in, seeing as how everything else has failed.

    It is a simple, cost effective approach to the problem, and devoid of anything resembling either racial inequality, or political bias. No charges for those who traffic or use such substances, no medical aid for those that overdose. All die equally, and the problem eventually solves itself, potentially within the course of a single generation.
     
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    Except, and again, blacks have 8x the Murder and Robbery rate of whites, even if you want to omit drugs. Similar in other gun/violent crimes.
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    That still doesn't make the bulk of arrest. So it's still a major issue. And majority of the blacks who are not murders. As not even 1% of the black population are murderers.
     
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    Nice. You must have a brilliant scientific mind to post such a mature and thought provoking image. :roll:

    Is this what you'd rather talk about instead of responding to my demolition of your arguments on race and intelligence? I'm thinking about making a thread on brain size and IQ with a specific focus on the Gould controversy. Are you interested? Since you claim to be such an expert on Gould's work (I don't see any evidence of that on this board) perhaps you'd like to have a discussion on that topic. Are you game, dawg? I want a verbal agreement that you will debate. I wouldn't want to waste my time on such a thread only to have you duck the debate.
     
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    I was just freshening my thread with a meme. The heavy stats in this thread to which you had NO reply.
    But thanks for the OFF topic bump.
    Your usual and unwitting Self-demolition.

    That Gould exchange showed I was the Science/Evo poster, and you for narrow Race Husting that is your game.
    You knew NOTHING about Gould or Evolution in general, just Yo usual Jesse/Sharpton, black-white-cop hustle. And your 100% confirmation-bias/no-race reading list.

    Since, of course, I humbled Shiva_TD's 'treatise' on the topic.
    There was no comeback from Anyone on that, including him.

    Still Embarrassed huh.
    Like I said, I let em last-word, then hours/days later realizing that they were weak/actually lost.... back they come, flailing away.

    Mebbe try the BLM rallies, or posting salacious inter-racial pictures on NatVan.
    You're not within 2 SDs of debate.
    YO! bye.
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    Yes, lots of Whites are hooked on narcotics. Even then, they are not committing violent felonies anywhere near the scale of Blacks. It's best to look at murder rates to know how bad an area is.

    The (somewhat smarter) LIbswill try to show that some more rural White areas are more dangerous. That is just bull. So if there is one murder in such a town with 5,000 in it, it's not going to be more unsafe than most of Chicago that has 700 murders a year with a population of 3 million and is crawling with violent gangs and thugs. The more bad people per square mile is a telling factor, along with the graffiti, razor wire, trash everywhere, gutted buildings and other obvious clues.
     
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    We've enabled peoples who are 'evolutionarily' primitive to have 20th C weapons.

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    Because Whites and Asians haven't killed a lot of people with those 20th century weapons right?

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    Gun violence and differences in crime rates between demographic groups has absolutely nothing to do with evolutionary biology.





    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/


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    Only a small percentage of the population are murderers and the fact that murder rates can decline considerably indicates that not only is there no scientific basis to your racist claims but their is a proven solution to the reduction in crime rate through public policy. We should be voting for politicians who are interested in controlling the access of guns to criminals and eradicating poverty.
     
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    Above we have the typical, nonsensical, obtuse, and Deflective BURIAL attempt.
    Quote Boxes, Graphics, Obama Boobtube (WTF?), etc.
    The usual Ejay Multimedia Sideshow/Extravaganza/Childish distraction.

    Of course, War is NOT analogous to Crime within society
    And how Ridiculous is it to post a Giant 'WWII deaths by country', rather than just the total for the whole thing?
    All it does is take up More space, SHOUT/Childishly Compensate for no answer.

    "the fact that murder rates can decline considerably indicates that not only is there no scientific basis.."

    No it doesn't. More fallacious clownery.
    One of many possible explanations:
    The effect of 1973 Roe-v-Wade started kicking in the 90s.
    Crime basically dropping since.
    http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99/n1257/a06.html?5465
    graphic
    http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0003F387-13E5-1C74-9B81809EC588EF21_arch3.gif

    Until the last year or two ... in Big Cities like Black Chiraq.
    When I think about how safe NYC, etc, etc, etc, would be without Blacks it's breathtaking.

    Of course, some study/unwitting and liberal apologetics by 'Sentencing Project,' thinks it can be accounted for in good part by LOWER IQ.
    Out of the frying pan into the FIRE!

    Statistics of incarcerated African-American males
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

    "Researchers have been analyzing statistics on the incarceration in the United States of African-American males as to age, location, causes, and the impact on children. Approximately 12–13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 35% of jail inmates, and 37% of prison inmates of the 2.2 million male inmates as of 2014(U.S. Department of Justice, 2014).[2][3] Census data for 2000 of the number and race of all individuals incarcerated in the United States revealed a wide racial disproportion of the incarcerated population in each state: the proportion of blacks in prison populations exceeded the proportion among state residents in twenty states.

    According to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), African Americans constitute nearly 2.3 million of the total 6.8 million incarcerated population, and have nearly Six times the incarceration rate of whites.[4]
    A 2013 study confirmed that black men were much more likely to be arrested and incarcerated than white men, but also found that this disparity disappeared after accounting for self-reported violence and IQ.[5]

    An August 2013, Sentencing Project report on Racial Disparities in the United States Criminal Justice System, submitted to the United Nations, found that "One of every Three black American males born today can expect to go to prison in his lifetime".[6]
    [......]
    Prison vs. college
    Several studies have concluded that overall, more Black males are in Prison than are enrolled in Colleges and universities. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college versus 1980, when there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college
    [......']

    Leading causes of incarceration for African American males

    In 2015, 58% of African American males currently serving sentences of one year or more were sentenced for a Violent crime. Only 15% were incarcerated for a non-violent drug offense.
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    Additionally, studies show that Black men are 5 times more likely to commit crime compared to their white counterparts, and 10 times more likely than Asian Americans.[16]".."

    So You can claim there are just a "small" amount of Black Criminals.. but they outnumber Black College enrollees!

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    This is yet another claim that has been refuted.

    By the Numbers: More Black Men in Prison Than in College? Think Again

    A Washington Post editorial published in June referenced a 2007 quote from then-Senator Barack Obama. In this quote, Obama stated that “we have more black men in prison than we have in our colleges.” For nearly a decade, this statement has been popular with those attempting to illustrate the plight of African-American males. It is a compelling statement. It is also, quite simply, untrue. The origin of this statement is a 2000 report from the Justice Policy Institute titled Cellblocks or Classrooms? The Funding of Higher Education and Corrections and Its Impact on African American Men. The report found that more African-American males were under the jurisdiction of a federal, state, or local penal system (791,600) than were enrolled in higher education (603,032). The report attributed this sobering finding to increased state investment in corrections and decreased support for higher education throughout the 1980s and 90s. Needless to say, this garnered much attention in the press, and more than a decade later still serves as a tidy talking point for encapsulating the social challenges facing African-American men. However, the statement is no longer accurate and in fact probably never was. This table compares incarceration and higher education enrollment data between 2000 and 2010. The college enrollment data used in Cellblocks or Classrooms only counts African-American males attending degree-granting institutions who enrolled for the fall semester.

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    The numbers in the chart paint a clearer picture of African-American male enrollment; they include students at vocational campuses, non-degree-granting institutions, and students who enrolled after the fall semester—and reflect an 86 percent increase in the number of black men enrolled in postsecondary education. By 2002, African-American males in college outnumbered those incarcerated. Moreover, because a large portion of postsecondary institutions did not begin counting students who enrolled after the fall semester until 2002, it is quite possible that even in 2000 more African-American males were in college than in prison or jail. Highlighting the inaccuracy of the “more black men in prison than college” claim is in no way meant to suggest that the societal challenges many African-American males face are somehow overstated. Indeed, African-American men still face huge challenges in terms of accessing and completing higher education. But in the meantime, there is no need to continue trotting out a figure that, while compelling and easy to understand, is not—and may never have been—correct.

    Even if it were true that there were more Blacks in prison than college it would not legitimize your racist claim that Blacks are somehow more innately prone to criminality. The research by Graves in the article I posted shows that there is no scientific basis to your evolutionary claims. The point about causalities in wars is that different groups of people can and have been extremely violent at different points in time and while I'm obviously not equating war with violent crime in cities I am making the point that there is no scientific basis to the claim of racial hierarchies in aggression or violence.

    Given the historical atrocities committed by different cultures throughout human history there is no reason to believe that one group of people is more or less violent than other because of genetic differences. You can't cite the violation of man-made laws as evidence that one group is innately more violent than another especially when considering the environmental effects of inequality.

    Your claim is simply ridiculous, it has no basis in science and is nothing more than an attempt to rationalize a racist ideological agenda.
     
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    Graves is a Clown.
    Your every-page multi-usage excessive/Obsessive.
    He's out.
    It also be must considered at this point, that those obsessive citations may have a basis other than science/reference.

    The 'Talk' page on Graves from Wiki. Several noting an Excessive/Suspicious Fan/s.
    'Talk' is always more interesting than the article on Controversial subjects.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joseph_L._Graves
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    Comment

    The original Nominator was Blocked for Repeated Disruptive Editing. Even though I want to AGF, I Don't think that the Nomination was in Good Faith. LastChanceToBe 18:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

    I'm Not convinced about his papers -- superoxide dismutase alleles??
    And simply being an opponent of racism is Not notable -- whoever claims to be a proponent of racism?
    I also read a review of his work, he seems like he might be more Politically-Correctness than scientifically driven. But he has convinced some people he is notable and that's all it takes. 71.112.7.212 18:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

    Additional sources to look at for updates of this article

    An editor Tagged this article based on concerns that some contributors to this article may be persons who are Closely Associated with the article subject.".."

    I feel the SAME way/voice the same concerns.


    Those New "Refuting" WaPo numbers show there are App 50% MORE Blacks in College now than in Prison.
    We all feel much better.

    Of course, your original attempt to Minimalize Black Criminal numbers has still/now FAILED by your own hand.
    Although there are less Criminals than enrollees. (I'll try and get even more up to date ones)
    The relative numbers very Considerable and still bust your attempt to minimalize high black criminality.

    The rest/Bulk (IQ, abortion, etc, etc) unanswered.


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    if socio-economic status among whites, blacks and asians was the same, there would be negligable differences in crime rates
     
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    Graves is a respected scientist.

    Joseph Graves

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    http://jsnn.ncat.uncg.edu/faculty/joseph-l-graves-jr-ph-d/


    Research Interests

    Dr. Joseph Graves, Jr. research concerns the evolutionary genetics of postponed aging and biological concepts of race in humans, with over sixty papers and book chapters published, and had appeared in six documentary films and numerous television interviews on these general topics. He has been a Principal Investigator on grants from the National Institutes of Health, National Science Foundation and the Arizona Disease Research Commission.

    His books on the biology of race are entitled: The Emperor's New Clothes: Biological Theories of Race at the Millennium, Rutgers University Press, 2001, 2005 and The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America, Dutton Press, 2004, 2005. A summary of Dr. Graves’s research career can be found on Wikipedia, and he is also featured in the ABC-CLIO volume on Outstanding African American scientists. In November 2007, he was featured in the CNN Anderson Cooper 360 program on Dr. James Watson.

    He has served as a member of the external advisory board for the National Human Genome Center at Howard University. In January 2006, he became a member of the “New Genetics and the African Slave Trade” working group of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute of Harvard University, chaired by professors Henry Louis Gates and Evelyn Hammonds. He is currently serving as chair of the Senior Advisory Board for the National Evolutionary Synthesis Center (NESCent) at Duke University .

    He is currently an Associate Editor for the 2nd Edition for the Encyclopedia of Race and Racism, Gale-Cengage. In 2007, he became a member of the inaugural editorial board of Evolution: Education and Outreach, published by Springer-Verlag. He has been an active participant in the struggle to protect and improve the teaching of science, particularly evolutionary biology in the public schools. He has been a leader in addressing the under representation of minorities in science careers, having directed successful programs in California and Arizona. He is a member of the board of the Guilford Education Alliance. From 2005 – 2009, he has been a leading force in aiding underserved youth in Greensboro via the YMCA chess program.

    Education

    1969-73 Westfield High School, Westfield, NJ Biology
    1973-77 Oberlin College A.B., Biology, Concentration in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology.
    1977-79 University of Lowell, MS Program Department of Biological Sciences and The Center for Tropical Disease
    1979-83 University of Michigan Ph.D. Program, Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
    1985-88 Wayne State University Ph.D. Awarded Dec. 15, 1988 Department of Environmental, Evolutionary and Systematic Biology

    Fellowships and Scholarships

    1973-77 Rotary Club Scholarship, Westfield NJ
    1973-77 Oberlin College Academic Scholarship
    1978 Josiah P. Macy Foundation Fellowship, Marine Biological Laboratory
    1979-82 National Science Foundation Minority Fellowship, University of Michigan
    1985-86 Thomas Rumble Graduate Fellowship, Wayne State University
    1986 B-Haley Fellowship, Wayne State University, Department of Biological Sciences
    1988-89 President's Postdoctoral Fellowship, University of California

    Professional Appointments

    1990-94 Assistant Professor, Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of California, Irvine.
    1992-94 Assistant Professor, Program in African-American Studies, University of California, Irvine.
    1994-2000 Associate Professor of Evolutionary Biology, Life Sciences, Arizona State University West. Tenure date: March 27, 1996.
    1996-2000 Associate Professor, Program in African American Studies, ASU-main.
    2000-2004 Full Professor, Life Sciences and African American Studies (promoted April 7, 2000)
    Spring 2001 Adjunct Professor, Biological Sciences, Midwestern Osteopathic Medical College, Glendale AZ.
    Spring 2002 Visiting Professor, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Prescott AZ.
    2004 – 2005 Director University Core and Professor of Biological Sciences, Fairleigh Dickinson University, Teaneck, NJ.
    2005 – 6/30/10 Dean, University Studies and Professor of Biological Sciences, North Carolina A&T State University. www.ncat.edu/~univstud
    7/1/2010 Associate Dean for Research, Joint School of Nanoscience and Nanoengineering, NCATSU and UNC Greensboro.


    Professional Societies:


    The Society for the Study of Evolution
    The American Society of Naturalists
    The Genetics Society of America
    The Ecological Society of America
    Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution
    American Society of Zoologists
    American Association for the Advancement of Science (Fellow, 1994-)
    American Public Health Association
    American Anthropological Association

    Honors:

    Elected to Fellow of the Council of the American Association for the Advancement of Science
    “For original contributions to the evolutionary theory of aging through an examination of its population genetic and physiological basis and for the successful mentoring of minority graduate and
    undergraduate students in the biological sciences”
    1994.
    Nomination for Arizona State University Last Lecturer Series, 2001 & 2002.
    ASU-West, Faculty/Academic Professional Achievement Award for Research, Scholarship, and Creative
    Activity, 2002.
    Elected to Phi Kappa Phi National Honorary Society, North Carolina A&T State University Chapter, 2005.


    What anonymous Wikipedia editors say on a talk page is not important. For all we know the editors questioning the notability of Graves are racists with an agenda.

    Explain how anything you cited supports your claim that groups such as Blacks commit more crime because they are "evolutionarily primitive."

    Racist claims of this nature have been thoroughly refuted before. So if you have new information post it. Otherwise my point stands.
     
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    And if IQ, hormones, and resultant behavior were the same, then socio-economic status would be.
    Yawn.

    Asians Everywhere always had lower crime rates regardless of income, and their S-E status has risen from below to above whites here.
    IQ, et al.

    Blacks have the highest homicide rates worldwide and in their own countries.

    READ the thread.
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    blacks all over the world are the victims of hundreds of years of slavery, genocide, Colonialism.

    this is why they fall behind Europeans and Asians.
     
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    Um
    They were "behind" since humans left Africa and advanced.

    BEFORE Colonialism..
    When Explorers first came upon China/Japan they found, Silk, Porcelain, Gunpowder, a Civil Service System. Astronomical records.
    When they first came upon Africa they found ZIP.
    Just the the same 50,000 year old Hunter-Gatherers they had evolved FROM.
    No written Language, no wheel. Naked hunters.

    Asians were also Colonialized.. and discriminated against.. including Here. (Social studies in High School?)
    Many came as Indentured Railway labor just as the blacks were being freed from slavery
    The Japanese interned as late as WWII, and their country Nuked. Half the men gone.
    How is it they have higher edu and income than us? IQ is how.

    Colonialism, though selfish, was a benefit to many/most other people's. Showing/Propelling them Thousands of years forward.
    In what century/Millenium would Indians have built a railroad if they were isolated? Parliamentary goverment?
    OTOH, Most colonial euro railways in Africa rotted in the jungle.
    It was just too big a jump for those primitive people.

    Some freed black slaves, having the benefit of having seen modernity, did go back to Africa and they formed 'Liberia' in 1822.
    Liberia's GDP per Capita GDP is $495 per Year.
    Discriminated against Afro-Americans make $35,000+ living in the 'oppressive' White infrastructure.

    You've demonstrated only the usual vacuous PC and Total (and willful) ignorance of history
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    I reviewed the edits. First of all the editor who was blocked for not editing in good faith is the same editor who nominated the article for deletion. They didn't even bother to sign their edit and are known only by their IP address. That edit was also made 10 years ago in 2007. Other editors defended the notability of Graves.

    Yes, he is notable.
    • Graves has made appearances in six documentary films.
    • Graves has published two books and numerous papers.
    • Graves has been interviewed by the NYT as an expert.[1]
    • Graves has been interviewed by PBS as an expert.
    All this appears in the article and all of it is sourced. futurebird 19:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
    Well, he is a notable opponent of scientific racism so that is good enough for me! LinkinPark 05:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
    The man is considered enough of a notable expert that he has been interviewed by both the New York Times and PBS regarding his specialty. I believe that makes him more than notable. LastChanceToBe 05:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

    Agree. futurebird 15:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
    A published author well cited across the internet [2] and clearly notable. I have removed the tag.-- Zleitzen(talk) 15:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

    Yes, he's notable, (and just to counter the original poster's subjective reasoning: I had heard of him, before ever editing wikipedia). Please read WP:BIO and WP:pROF, both apply, and in both cases criteria of notability are met. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


    So you selected one editor who was blocked from the page among several in good standing, including the moderator who blocked them, defending the notability of Graves.

    As for an editor being closely associated with the page you left this out:

    An editor tagged this article based on concerns that some contributors to this article may be persons who are closely associated with the article subject. Other Wikipedians who have edited this article plainly are not closely associated with the article subject, and the article is reasonably well sourced, so I have removed the tag. In the interest of further development and improvement of this article, I will mention a user bibliography about human biology and race studies that includes books and articles written by Joseph L. Graves, and other books and articles that comment on his work. Referring to the sources there will be helpful for revising this article to put Mr. Graves's life and work into a more complete context for readers of Wikipedia. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:30, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

    Based on the content on the page and the fact that Wikipedia is referenced on the official academic page of Graves I suspect that Joseph Graves was directly involved with editing the page. This is not unusual. Given the growing popularity of Wikipedia over the years many people who are mentioned on the online encyclopedia take an interest in the pages about them. I personally abandoned editing Wikipedia years ago because of all of the edit wars and aggressive moderation. I have taken no interest in the editing of the Wikipedia page on Joseph Graves. The fact that the page has survived for at least 10 years indicates that the Wikipedia community considers Graves notable to have his own Wikipedia page. Given his credentials and standing in the scientific community no one in their right mind would deny this.
     
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