Well if I'm in a cult for holding certain beliefs or opinions and arguing on the www about it then so must you be as you're doing the same thing.
Still stuck pre-2008? You haven't read or heard anything about this at all? I highlighted the important bits for you.
The following cartoon illustrates Chip Berlet, a conspiracy debunker on the payroll to divide the left. Bertlet has appeared on Maddow and other MSNBC shows, and is a prime example of controlled opposition. .........................................................................notice the man in the back of sled holding "FBI marching orders" The CIA and the Cultural Cold War Revisited by James Petras "the CIA penetrated and influenced a vast array of cultural organizations, through its front groups and via friendly philanthropic organizations like the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations. The author, Frances Stonor Saunders, details how and why the CIA ran cultural congresses, mounted exhibits, and organized concerts. The CIA also published and translated well-known authors who toed the Washington line, sponsored abstract art to counteract art with any social content and, throughout the world, subsidized journals that criticized Marxism, communism, and revolutionary politics and apologized for, or ignored, violent and destructive imperialist U.S. policies. The CIA was able to harness some of the most vocal exponents of intellectual freedom in the West in service of these policies, to the extent that some intellectuals were directly on the CIA payroll. Many were knowingly involved with CIA "projects," and others drifted in and out of its orbit, claiming ignorance of the CIA connection after their CIA sponsors were publicly exposed during the late 1960s and the Vietnam war, after the turn of the political tide to the left. " "Saunders refutes the claims (made by Hook, Kristol, and Lasky) that the CIA and its friendly foundations provided aid with no strings attached. She demonstrates that "the individuals and institutions subsidized by the CIA were expected to perform as part ... of a propaganda war." The most effective propaganda was defined by the CIA as the kind where "the subject moves in the direction you desire for reasons which he believes to be his own." While the CIA allowed their assets on the "Democratic Left" to prattle occasionally about social reform, it was the "anti-Stalinist" polemics and literary diatribes against Western Marxists and Soviet writers and artists that they were most interested in, funded most generously, and promoted with the greatest visibility. Braden referred to this as the "convergence" between the CIA and the European "Democratic Left" in the fight against communism. The collaboration between the "Democratic Left" and the CIA included strike-breaking in France, informing on Stalinists (Orwell and Hook), and covert smear campaigns to prevent leftist artists from receiving recognition (including Pablo Neruda's bid for a Nobel Prize in 1964." http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CIAcultCW.html
Actually, it's just pointing out the hypocricy in if you think for one second I am in a cult for having a belief and talking about something on the internet about it, and YOU DON'T. What do you think a cult is? Do you think one can be in a "cult" just for having a belief and talking about it? Get real. So what cult you ask? How about the official story championing governmental parrot skeptic squad.. The people who patrol the web day in day out attempting to squash any beliefs besides their own, demanding only the highest standards for proof while at the same time harboring the utmost certainty that THEIR story is true withOUT requiring a shred of decent real proof for your own theory and proclaiming it to everyone as fact while ducking and diving to show any real evidence for it yourselves.. The indoctrinated marching lockstep with the official fairy tale never even giving a glance to the footnotes to see where the story came from, let alone critically analyzing facts and considering evidence for it. Then resort to constant ridicule of an arbitrarily generalized categorization of everyone who doesn't worship the same belief as you, scoffing at them as impotent and having accomplished nothing while at the same time you've failed to rally not even enough support to prove guilty the guy your official fairy tale tells you that did the whole thing! Oh wait you did get building codes changed.. Hopefully you at least sold a subscription of your skeptics rag. Yeah, that cult.. I tell you what, tell me the definition of "cult" you mean, the one that I must fit into for having certain beliefs and talking about them on the www, but you definatily DON'T fit into.. Go on give it a go.
You didn't really do this though, did you.. Nope.. NIST did that. But wait, I thought NIST was NOT supposed to have ANY agenda other than complete impartiality? So they are NOT part of the "the official explanation is true no matter what and anyone who disagrees is a truther idiot" cult are they? Nope.. They don't, according to its proponents, support ANY such agenda. So no, doesn't count now does it? What has YOUR www debunker squad acheived? How many attended YOUR last rally? How many signed the petition to strap the principal architect into the electric chair already? Oh yeah.. NOTHING. You've not even managed to change minds or convince anyone, at least according to your complete inability to cite ANY evidence of a 9/11 alternate belief public opinion decline.
You're moving your own goalposts again. How many attended the last 'Earth is not flat' rally? Answer? There aren't any, because it is generally accepted that the earth is not flat. The accepted narrative needs no rally, because it is accepted. The 'truth movement' tried to change the accepted narrative. Lacking evidence (or any kind of momentum) they failed. There are still a few clingers-on that will sell their latest book or DVD to the gullible, but they are fading into the same sub-culture as moon-hoaxers and chemtrail alarmists.
The subject becomes a "cult", as opposed to 9/11. Happy...don't waste your time with this dude. Just post pertinent information versus the dance that is employed by the "official" BS propagandists. They're well versed in distraction tactics. Your call but just a suggestion.
Now it's "the earth is flat", "chemtrails", and "moon hoaxes" distraction tactics. Anything but the obvious.
The "death beams" reference once again. This over focused distraction rather than proof of planes buried, etc,etc,etc...
You're the one who linked to them. Do you consider them to be 'pertinent information'? If not, why did you link to them?
You're always addressing me saying "your movement" "your movement"... So what's my "movement" if it's NOT the 9/11 truth movement cult you describe?
No I'm not.. I never asked for NIST accomplishments in the FIRST place, nor did I ever dispute any NIST accomplishments, so there's no goalposts being moved. What I ACTUALLY asked was, what has YOUR skeptics club accomplished? What have YOU accomplished that you can scoff and ridicule the truth movement for not accomplishing stuff? Proof please.. I want proof that the story as told by the 9/11 commission/government is generally accepted by the population at large. Wow making the same unsubstantiated claim you failed to provide proof for the last time, AGAIN, in a different thread. I'd ask you to show evidence about the "fading" of the "truth movement".
Always? Can you point out where I have always addressed you saying 'your movement'? Is this a victim card you're playing?
The general acceptance is self evident. The 'truth movement' tried to change the accepted narrative and failed. There remains only a select few of the leaders, peddling on the Internet to whomever will buy the latest reprint. My personal observation is that the 'truthers' are fading into obscurity with all the other kooky conspiracies. If you feel differently, more power to you. On what date will Gage be delivering his (almost five year old) petition to Congress? When is the projected date for the new investigation to be launched? I'll be back later, I'm attending a 'round earth' protest at lunch.
When someone says, "you always do such and such" it's a figure of speech, colloquailism to mean they often do such a thing, not literally to mean every single time.
The proof is "self evident".. in other words you have no proof. Didn't think so.. Polls reflect that the majority of people DON'T feel the government is beins straightforward about what happened. You people attempt to proclaim more merit to your belief than is there.. You try to claim like your beliefs are nearly universally accepted, save a fringe minority. You're wrong which is why you can't show any data or evidence to suggest your (*)(*)(*)(*) is "generally accepted". Which brings us back to the point.. What have YOU accomplished that you can scoff at the truth movement not doing much?
See what you did there? You changed from 'inside job' to 'the majority of people DON'T feel the government is beins straightforward about what happened'. That's called moving the goalposts. I contend that the accepted narrative is generally accepted. I observe the lack of activism, the lack of protest from the scientific, engineering, forensic and public communities. I observe the infighting and lack of any kind of cohesive narrative from the few 'truthers' left holding onto the tenets of their cult (whichever sect they belong to) and I surmise that they are dwindling and impotent. I find the discussions interesting, but they are becoming repetitive. 'truthers' seem trapped in 2008, and are unable to rally now that Bush is gone. No more windmill to tilt against, I suppose. That's my opinion. Yours may vary.
I didn't at all.. When did I EVER say "inside job"? Huh? Quote me where I said this! You can't, because I didn't.. What I said was, YOUR belief is NOT so nearly universally accepted as you like to proclaim, and you haven't a SHRED of evidence to show most people believe YOUR story as told by the US government and 9/11 commission.. I did NOT say ANYTHING about the public opinion of ANY OTHER theory, inside job or not, than YOURS. If you feel otherwise quote me where I said this. Othewise I suggest investing in a great big truck to haul around those goalpoasts YOU keep freighting. Yes.. your OPINION.. Not fact, your OPINION.. The FACT is that a bigger chunk are SKEPTICAL of the government story, not nearly universally embracing it like you try to suggest.
Now what? Now is when you provide proof to your claim that your government narrative is nearly universally accepted just like the world being round.
