A Bosnian signs off weapons he says are going to Saudi Arabia – but how did his signature turn up in

Slowly the facts emerge. Robert Fisk has written a compelling article on how Saudi Arabia purchased arms from Western Nations, essentially NATO nations, that mysteriously found their way to jihadists in Syria.

I doubt anyone will be surprised by this, but it's still necessary to report it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...rabia-aleppo-weapons-arms-deals-a8451841.html

 

The west is the guilty party in the military aggression in Syria. The Saudis helped of course, just as they helped in 911.

Good journalism here by the Independent.

 

The Guardian is, more often than not these days, UK central for the neocons and their journalism has become shoddy and shonky. But Fisk is an old timer and his reporting has always been top draw. He's a dying breed, sadly.

 

This is a diversion.. Notice he didn't NAME the Saudis who came to his factory.. LOLOL..

ISIS has been the enemy of KSA since 2011.. and have carried out more than 2 dozen suicide bombing attacks in the kingdom.

Fisk is an ass to have been hoodwinked and used.

 

Robert Fisk has always been against Saudi Arabia and pro Iran.. He has been for over 20 years.

 

Nice to know. Now there is another journalist I can admire. The Saudis might be worse than the Israelis.

 

How would you know?

 

Because I pay attention to the propaganda and to the news. I am aware of their role in 911 and Yemen.

 

What the heck has a love or hate relationship between ISIS and KSA got to do with the story? Fisk didn't even mention them.

What this is, is yet another of your specialised red herrings that you love to introduce into threads and posts to cast doubt and deflect from the story. You keep doing it. Most often due to your equally well-known prejudice about the Saudi's that you have revealed yet once more.

 

I doubt that Washington didn't know those shipments were going to ISIS, after all they were bombing the Syrians when they had the upper hand with ISIS so they could 'level the playing field' and keep the war going on. I guess it was punishment towards Assad for not bowing to Washington's wishes. Oh well, what's another 100 thousand deaths, after all they're only Syrians. The coalition wasn't supporting ISIS though in the oil and gas rich areas E. of the Euphrates. This is where Washington established bases, and is giving support to the Kurds at the expense of the Syrian Arabs living there.

Anyway the article is interesting because now that the Syrian army is freeing Syria from ISIS and Al Nusra, they are finding enormous caches of American arms. It shouldn't surprise anyone though, since so many coalition agents were embedded with the 'moderate' terrorists in places like E. Aleppo and Ghouta.

This is why the propaganda outlets went all out demonizing Russia and Syria so they could stop the bombings. It wasn't because they gave a damn about the civilians, or they wouldn't have killed thousands in Mosul and Raqqa. It was to put pressure on Russia to open an escape route so the agents could sneak out. If they didn't they would have faced some very vengeful Syrians.

 

Maybe for a reason. I mean let's face it, Saudi Arabia is not known for its justice or humanity. But then again, maybe you go by different values.

 

I always wonder how anyone can be sympathetic towards SA. I guess margot is the privileged one of the many wives her husband has, she spends the weekend with the husband and posts on PF while waiting her next turn

 

TOW missiles have been found in the aftermath of the latest Syrian offensive against the terrorists in the southwest. These are strictly American produced with an end user agreement.

From 2013:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/12/1...-tank-missiles-for-a-war-it-will-never-fight/

No one is expecting a tank invasion of Saudi Arabia anytime soon, but the kingdom just put in a huge order for U.S.-made anti-tank missiles that has Saudi-watchers scratching their heads and wondering whether the deal is related to Riyadh’s support for the Syrian rebels.

The proposed weapons deal, which the Pentagon notified Congress of in early December, would provide Riyadh with more than 15,000 Raytheon anti-tank missiles at a cost of over $1 billion. According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies’ Military Balance report, Saudi Arabia’s total stockpile this year amounted to slightly more than 4,000 anti-tank missiles. In the past decade, the Pentagon has notified Congress of only one other sale of anti-tank missiles to Saudi Arabia — a 2009 deal that shipped roughly 5,000 missiles to the kingdom.

"It’s a very large number of missiles, including the most advanced version of the TOWs [tube-launched, optically tracked, wire-guided missiles]," said Jeffrey White, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a former intelligence analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency. "The problem is: What’s the threat?"

From 2018:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1GY302

The U.S. State Department said on Thursday it had approved the possible sale to Saudi Arabia of TOW anti-tank missiles, part of a bigger $1 billion package that also includes helicopter maintenance and spare parts for military vehicles.

The department said it had notified the U.S. Congress on Thursday of the possible sale, which kick-starts a formal congressional review process.

Saudi Arabia requested to buy 6,600 TOW missiles and an additional 96 for training for a total of $670 million, the State Department said in a statement.

 

How would you know about their humanity? Are you talking about the Tsunami shelters they built in Indonesia, or the $350 million for the New Orleans hospitals, or the university scholarships and endowments? Or maybe you are talking about their humanitarian aid to Sudan for the past 25 years???

 

Actually, I'm thinking about their 'humanitarian' efforts in Yemen. Wahabbis are Takfiris aren't they?

 

How would you know about their humanity? Are you talking about the Tsunami shelters they built in Indonesia, or the $350 million for the New Orleans hospitals, or the university scholarships and endowments? Or maybe you are talking about their humanitarian aid to Sudan for the past

Saudi Arabia has provided humanitarian aid and built hospitals, clinics and colleges in Yemen since the 1960.. and that was before ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram etc took over the country.

 

Americans don't have multiple wives.. 40,000 American Christians live and work in Arabia.

 

Our local KSA propagandist is in full deflection mode I see. Thanks for the article OP but do we really need any more validation that KSA along with ourselves fabricated the entire conflict in Syria beginning with our encouragement of the Arab Spring itself? I must have at least twenty detailed discussions on this subject we have tagged. KSA are the biggest terrorists in the ME by far. For over a year I've been pointing out the money and supply trail along with contacts from KSA to the headchoppers we the US asked them to send to Syria to kill Syrians and overthrow Assad. We did exactly the same thing in Libya. But it worked heh. Would have worked in Syria too but for Russia. I mean it's all right in front of your faces. Don't expect any interest in this from our government other than how to put a lid on it.

 

Oh then Saudi Arabia is fighting Sunni ISIS, Sunni Al Qaeda, and Sunni Boko Haram? And here we thought all the time it was Shia Iran?

 

Nonsense, we are only there to fight ISIS, ...cough cough
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Saudi Arabia went on a campaign to stop young Saudis from going to Syria... and they go to prison when they return to KSA.

ISIS declared war on KSA in 2011 and has carried out more than 2 dozen suicide bombing attacks in the kingdom.

What makes you think you know anything about KSA?

 

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What do you think the US wants in Syria?

 

Yes, Saudi Arabia is fighting ISIS, AQ and Boko Haram.. They aren't fighting Iran at all.

 

They live and work within their own enclaves with their own schools, churches, etc., They do not live in Saudi proper and within Saudi laws.

But look Margot, I'm not against the Saudi conservatism even though it is extreme, since it's not my place or anyone else's place to impose their own standards on another. What I am against is the propagation of their Wahabbi version of Islam in other countries because it goes contrary to the laws in those countries - as well as their inhumanity towards people and nations who are in a lower political and financial position. I consider this supremacism.

 

Strange, no mention by Amnesty International of ISIS, AQ and Boko Haram in Yemen:

Amnesty International has documented 36 air strikes across six different governorates by the Saudi Arabia-led coalition that appear to have violated international humanitarian law – the rules that apply during a conflict which are sometimes known as the “laws of war” - resulting in 513 civilian deaths (including at least 157 children) and 379 civilian injuries. These have included attacks that appear to have deliberately targeted civilians and civilian objects such as hospitals, schools, markets and mosques, which would amount to war crimes.

The Saudi Arabia-led coalition has also used cluster munitions, lethal explosive weapons banned under international law. When launched cluster bombs release dozens – sometimes hundreds - of small “bomblets”, which often lie unexploded and can cause horrific injuries long after the initial attack. Amnesty International has documented the coalition’s use of at least four different types of cluster munitions, including US, UK and Brazilian-manufactured models.​

This doesn't exclude that crimes are not being committed by the other side as well, but I guess not in the same scope.