A brief analysis of WTC 1 : Initial catastrophic failure.

None of newtons 'laws' were suspended that day,YOU just aren't applying them correctly.

And NO 'cavemen from arabia'were involved with 9/11...stop with the prejudice.

 

HMMMM, which to address first, your dishonesty, or your highly inaccurate, uneducated conclusion of 9/11?

 

Sad thing is he doesn't even remember quoting lefty earlier, when lefty specifically stated that no laws of physics were broken that day. The guy is a walking contradiction.

 

That's right. Newton's laws of motion were not suspended no matter what NIST claims. The official story is that cavemen came to America and attacked the Pentagon. Listen to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. I never believed that nonsense. Pure comedy.

Rumsfeld Describes Elaborate Cave System in Afghanistan

[video=youtube;hf0XI1X34mQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf0XI1X34mQ[/video]

 

A conundrum as well...

 

The 19 hijackers were from well to do families,were college educated and had studied abroad.....NOT 'cave dwellers'

The 'cave system' was more of a bunker,than anything else...same as the Japanese had on Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima

 

they all were suspended until truthers handed NIST their asses and forced them to make a couple of several needed corrrections to the official newton violations.

 

I know this is outside your pay grade but do you have any idea why this feel sideways instead of straight down? It should have fell straight into itself.




or would you rather leave this tp fang or the OP guy?

 

What evil, lying djinn taught you to say something that obviously wrong?

In this time/space continuum, if you break two legs of four-legged stool, the stool does not fall toward the side that has the unbroken legs, nor does it collapse onto itself as though the two standing legs did not exist.

You are operating at least four levels below your pay grade today.

 

No. Nobody showed them wrong, either. One hippy-dippy high school teacher with delusions of adequacy showed us that one very small portion of the north wall of WTC 7 moved faster than it appeared to move in some of the videos used to establish the time line. The entire wall did not fall at that speed, and it slowed down in mid-fall, indicating that it had met resistance.

Only to the very dim-witted does this prove anything about CD. Nothing in the normal process of CD would have caused that phenomenon. This point is lost of those whose educational background is inadequate to grasp what Chandler did wrong.

 

NIST

yeh sure, you got a sample of that?

what if you break all four legs? which way will it tip?

 

DUH! It would fall straight down, but that is not what you said in your moment of utter stupidity. You said it was supposed to fall straight down when you broke two legs on one side. This defies all known laws of thermodynamics in this time/space continuum.

Please return to yours and plug up that cosmic rift that allowed you twoofers into ours.

 

thermodynamics? LOL

so now you agree with the truthers huh?

 

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/09/08/too-many-9-11-commission-questions-still

Commie Sgt.,
I'm no fan of Van Jones, but here's a proletariat web site you might want to take a peek at.
They have done us the favor of rounding up some comments of some rather high ranking people as to their misgivings (disgust) with the way the 9/11 Commission conducted it's business.

I'll post a few samples in case you don't won't to look yourself. Some other people might be interested to here what some of them had to say.

 

cont.

Are all of these people "conspiracy nuts", "anti-semites", uneducated etc?

Pardon me. I don't think so.

 

oh?

well it also sped up so now you got a real problem!

 

http://911review.com/coverup/commission.html

That's funny. They said the same thing about the spike of Put Options that were made immediately preceding 9/11.
All that they would say was that there was no connection with them to Al-Qaeda!

Some of those profits were never claimed as I recall. I wonder why.

 

No, becauseit happened so late in the collapse sequence, it has nothing to do with what initiated the collapse and is thus worth as much, as evidence, as something I introduced into the flow of sewage this morning. The building as a whole was pretty much gone at the time that hippy dude's measurements start.

I know that the laws of physics are different in that time/space continuum where you expect a four legged stool to collapse into its own footprint when you break two legs, but we are discussing things that happened for real in our time/space continuum. Please do the same.

 

They now have a real problem

 

Mine can be addressed without my having to take psychtropics.

Chandler's, not so much.

 

Acceleration vs deceleration is the problem da twoof debunkers are having. It's physics not fizix. The truth debunkers are trying to use fizix to explain the collapse. It is criminal and the people who did it, as well as the people who covered it up, should be tried for mass murder.

 

Still trying to sell something you haven't got?

 

You're wasting your time arguing with these guys.

The most you can hope to do is spread what information on 9/11 that's available and hope that more people will latch on to it.

The debunkers job is to try to prevent it. They are not trying to prove anything. They know the truth as well as you do. Ether that or they are hopelessly stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence

The entire debunker case is based on the premise that you can not RULE OUT the possibility of a collapse due to incidental circumstances. In other words, the case which they make is essentially as follows.
We saw planes hit the buildings. The buildings caught fire. Due to a combination of fire and damage the buildings all three collapsed in the manner of controlled demolitions.

The "verinage" theory itself is based upon THAT... CIRCUMSTANTIAL... evidence.
It presupposes that the plane attacks could not have been used to mask the deliberate demolition of the buildings, and hence the premeditated murder of everyone left inside them.

What the debunkers IGNORE is the fact that "verinage" demolition IS CONTROLLED demolition. Unless the conditions are chosen carefully any ensuing collapse will reflect the circumstances in which they occur.
In this case those circumstances would have resulted from the random or uncontrolled amount of initial damage AND the predilection of fire for which there was no possible way that ANYONE could have anticipated or directed it's movement.

All of this would had to have happened in such a way as to INITIATE a verinage principled collapse. That would depend upon the SUDDEN and SIMULTANEOUS collapse of ALL remaining supports.

Not only would this had to have happened fortuitously in one case, but in THREE CASES IN A ROW.
The odds due to chance of this occurring would according to laws of probability be enormously stacked AGAINST those conditions arising naturally.

When coupled with huge masses of extra circumstantial evidence which all indicate prior knowledge and therefore COLLUSION among those parties at the very least to prevent mass murder from occurring,
the probability that those buildings did NOT collapse as a chance occurrence of damage sustained initially rise exponentially.

In the US, TV drama and philosophical nonsense amongst the academic elite have left the masses with the erroneous assumption that circumstantial evidence cannot be taken in lieu of AN ABSOLUTE PROOF which they will DENY exists for anything.

When taken with the facts indicating the corruption of the judicial system favors those with enough money to buy themselves out of trouble and the tendency to convict the poor for their poverty, people may be reluctant to give any case based upon circumstantial evidence the benefit of the doubt.

That is, they will convict only if it is the consensus of opinion agrees that that a case has been "proven" even though the "intellectuals" and lawyers may not admit any such absolute proof exists.

Therefore the case for the 9/11 Commission Report depends not so much upon facts as it does the consensus of public opinion, which is in turn controlled by the mass media.

Circumstantial evidence may be "circumstantial" to the case involved but can still consist of FACTS themselves.

In other words, MOST of the circumstantial evidence which indicates controlled demolitions ARE FACTS, even though these FACTS are not admitted by the debunkers as DIRECT evidence.

To illustrate:

So we have a multitude of witnesses who saw flashes and heard explosions. We have squibs appearing floors below the collapse front.
We have unexplained high temperatures and long lasting fires which cannot be explained by the amount of jet fuel which remained after the explosion. We have the observation of molten metal pouring from the building.
We have steel beams hurled horizontally being impaled in adjacent buildings.
We have a blast of pyroclastic clouds rolling down the streets from buildings in which the observed amounts of fire no where near approached a level to explain them.

We have the testimony of people like Dr Neils Harrit, whose expertise lies in the field of chemistry and nano-technology plus the experimentation of Dr Jones who is a physicist along with many others who all attest that a type of nano thermite was found in the rubble.

From there we have all kinds of suspicious activity and coincidences that all point to prior knowledge and collusion.

TAKEN ALTOGETHER the overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates controlled demolition, hence the necessity for some elements OF AUTHORITY to have committed, at a minimum, some sins of omission ranging from gross negligence to out and out TREASON.


The gravity of these charges should make it clear why those people who are implicated would pull out all the stops in an effort to prevent this knowledge from going viral.

They have the money, and the resources to launch a massive propaganda campaign as surely as they do the same in totalitarian regimes elsewhere in the world.

All of these FACTS nicely explain the creation of the Department of "Homeland Security", the massive NSA spying, multiple violations of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and the attempt to outlaw weapons in the possession of anyone who does not work for the power elite.


Sgt "LEFTY" openly admits he's a Communist. So his stance in all this should not come as a surprise.

As long as these people can engage you in meaningless dialogue, including the pointless pi$$ing contests, they succeed in helping to staunch the flow of PERTINENT information. THAT is their objective.

 

No, I am simply trying to let the truth debunkers know we already who did it. The perpetrators should face a trial in a jury of their peers along with the people on TV who covered it up and anyone else who is involved in the conspiracy to cover up mass murder. That's all. There is no statute of limitations on murder or conspiracy to commit murder or conspiracy after the fact.

http://911justicecampaign.org/suspected-9-11-criminal-coconspirators/

 

Well get back to me when you decide which version of things is the truth. Until you have had the same brand of nothing truthers have been trying to sell for over 10 years

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Well get back to me when you decide which version of things is the truth. Until you have had the same brand of nothing truthers have been trying to sell for over 10 years