A cry from a woman's heart

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by LafayetteBis, Jun 29, 2018.

  1. Evan245

    Evan245 Well-Known Member

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    At least until November, when those traitorous Republicans you mentioned are replaced by patriots.

    Then what?
     
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    Your LifeSite disinformation about abortions has been totally and utterly discredited.

    Thanks for confirming that you are NOT interested in taking the topic of women's reproductive rights seriously,
     
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    Two out of three of them are NOT up for election so what was your point?
     
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    right wingers sure are when they take away food and health care from the poor
     
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    As I have documented on this forum before, under the Anglo Saxon common law abortion was legal up to approximately that time period. That is why the Supreme Court ruled as it did in Roe.
     
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    Yes, as an unfertilized egg. That's not debatable. I can trace my development back to an unfertilized egg, hence my life clearly began as an unfertilized egg, or even earlier. Yet you don't care about those. Hence, your propaganda point crashes and burns.

    You're lying about Sanger. Do you understand that? Probably not. After all, the only sources you'll look at are pro-lie propaganda blogs. They make everything up, and you blindly parrot the lies.
     
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    You want to use Pocahontas as a reference? LOL, horrible choice.

    And then you use France as an example. :roflol:
     
  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you want to talk about a cry from a woman's heart...
    Women want their babies back, but it's too late

    There's also some old threads, if you can find them, about women who were victims of botched abortion attempts (while they were growing in the womb) and are still suffering physical ailments from it.
     
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  9. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dictionary definition: Infanticide = the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.

    Key words: The child is BORN.

    Abortion is not infanticide. Period.
     
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  10. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fortunately the Senate has more good-sense than either the PotUS or his Vice-P.

    Sharing of powers. Will wonders never cease?

    Not in America, at present in a sitiuation (it rightly deserves) of "democracy" being all over the effing place ...

    PS: The Supreme Court needs term limits. Absolute power always needs term-limits.
     
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    Oh cmon, no one wants to take your abortions.

    We just want some common sense uterus regulations.
     
  12. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At present, at least here in Europe, after the Macron debacle*, Europe looks at the US with a disdainful eye.

    It's time Europe got on with its own business - and there is much to be done - at let America fry its small-fish.

    When Americans wake up to the folly they have committed, the link can be reestablished. But, not for as long as this idiot is in the White House.

    There is no "Europe" as the migration-problem is showing us (who live here). There are certain countries that have put up a barbed-wire fence to keep them out, Meaning the other countries must absorb the flux arriving.

    But the problem from the very beginning has been unemployment in deepest Africa that causes families to "try to get to a better life". But, how can one tell these "migrants" that their skill-sets have no place in Europe - aside from picking up the garbage, and we have plenty of those already ...

    *Macron tried to instill some sense into a presidential knothead. It didn't work. Time to move on. Europe is not totally dependent upon the US for trade, the only really important question. It's time to get its own house in order, whilst the so-called present "democracy" of Uncle Sam falls down a hill. Which it justly deserves. The country is proving itself to be ungovernable.
     
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  13. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the US with its two-party system I must agree. Historically, the US has been impenetrable to any thinking along the lines of a Social Democracy. It has always been right of center with an bent for capital accumulation. The public adores "winners".

    As a Yank out of the US, I decided long ago never-to-go-back. Europe got it VERY WRONG after the WW1, and then got it VERY RIGHT after WW2. It has become (and is becoming) a Social Democracy - where the interests of the many out-balance those of the few.

    Income Disparity (the plague of any modern democracy) is worst in the US than anywhere in Europe - from the Economist:
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    About the above graphic and from the same source:
     
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  14. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A fetus is a fetus and NOT A BABY. More exactly a fetus is:
    A fetus us thus a human being only after eleven weeks. Prior to the termination of the eleventh week, the fetus is an appendage in a woman's body, and she should be able to do what she wishes with it.

    I doubt there are very many women who wait carrying a fetus around for 10 weeks to decide ...
     
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    As I have previously stated;

    Abortion is a Womans issue.
    Not up to Men at all.
    Abortion is a standard Medical procedure.
    There are many medical reasons for this procedure.
    There are considerations such as age and health of the mother and a realistic danger to the continued health or life of the mother.

    Incest, Rape, and other situations where the mother may not want to bring to term, give birth.

    This is what I have also observed, when a fetus dies, there is a grieving process that is relevant or like to the death of a baby, stillborn or even well past the infant stage on up.

    When My Mother was with child, perhaps 3 months along, she slipped on ice and fell.

    I was perhaps 8 or 9 years old and the news had an awful effect on all of us, to me, my baby brother had died, and I grieved and many people close to me, noticed the effect it had on me.

    Fast foward to a clinical rotation at hospital, and I was observing an ultrasound of a young happy expectant Mother, 2nd month, and if you have seen one, it is as peeking into a contruction area, that tiny heart is pumping to beat the band, 120 bpm etc....

    This case was alarming, no activity at all.
    I glance over at the Technician, a very close chum, and he looks like he has been punched hard in the stomach, I must have gone pale as I felt shock and pain" the mother is looking at us wondering and suddenly realized we couldn't speak, and I pick up a phone for OBGYN and her Physician.

    We were all pretty much elated over her new baby and we also crashed really hard over the death too.

    As I was never clinically detached enough to not let such things affect me.

    I believe in a mother's right to choose, but it still is a potential life, not an inanimate object.
     
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    Normally when people talk about "medical procedures" they are talking about procedures that do no harm;
    or if they do some harm it's for the greater good of that person whom they are treating.

    When you talk about "medical procedures" intentionally known to inflict overall harm, it brings to mind images of Dr. Mengele, or Japanese war time atrocities.

    The vast majority of abortions are generally not done for health reasons.

    The main one is "I don't want to be pregnant".

    It's also a human rights issue, and somewhat of a father's rights issue as well, in some cases (albeit to a lesser extent than it is a woman's rights issue).


    Yet, it is interesting, the majority of women choose not to abort:
    most women who were raped do NOT want to abort the baby

    As a pro-choicer put so candidly in that thread:
    Abortion is primarily not about rape.​
     
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  17. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're the one who is humanizing the fetus as if you were some magician.

    It is not a human being until 10-weeks after fertilization.

    Get it ... ?!?
     
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    I stated both sides of the issue from all points of view, how nice and honest of you to cherry pick one sliver.
     
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    Try not to be dishonest
    And tell the complete story rather than truncate the truth.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The whole story in France (untruncated) is that around 220,000 abortions are performed per year. National Healthcare Insurance covers the total cost.

    And one can go to jail forcing a woman to not terminate a birth should she want to do so ...
     
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    America isnt a democracy. Who told you this?
     
  22. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, how many times have I seen that bit of Colossal Stoopidity written in this forum ... !
     
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    He just means America is a Republic, which is actually a form of democracy in some sense.
     
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  24. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know, I know.

    Find me a dictionary that has two very different meanings to the two words. Just one such dictionary.

    Off the net:

    BFD
     
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    I know facts hurt dumb people. Stoopidity....priceless!
     

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