A market named africa.

This continent is home to me. i am not of black origin, but have lived here as long as i can remember. this place has many hands and needs ready to be satisfied by the right people.

Recently it was suggested that africa satisfy it's own needs. this was also suggested that places specialize in certain goods, like south africa makes televisions and kenya makes shoes and so forth. in the end we will be satisfying each other in a 'nucleated' way, i think.

If you were to think about it, all african states are in a fair amount of debt, but, there is so much more to be had. look at the rampant unemployment - all of those people could be working and paying taxes! that is surely what the humanitarian people and people of those states wants, yes?

So, how do we take these people and turn them into working class people?

If we were to observe that as soon as they are working they will be earning and consuming goods, then there is the answer without the solution, of course. to get the solution, we need to find a way to bridge the gap between being able and willing to work and working and earning.

If the corporations were to want to sell more goods, they need more people to afford them. this means, they could get together like as if there was a monopoly meeting going on, and then hire people. if everyone did it, then there would be more profits, of course. but, there might be a natural way to do this, of course.

So, let's say the business has a sale on it's goods, it will need to hire more people to restock it's goods. this will open the door for more products to be sold, if everyone has a sale and hires a few more people to do the things to produce. this is a chain reaction, of course, where the business will find that it will need to keep these people to maintain it's current output due to demand, as more people are working demanding goods, yes? but, that is technical nearly, we need something 'better.'

[1] How about contracts between unlike businesses? they could all agree that if there were more people working in the country, then there would be more gains from sales for all of them, yes? this could be like a conspiracy of sorts, but with god ends.

Maybe there should be something in the line of selling more goods to each other being in bulk, with discounts and surety of payments?

[2] Or, they could watch the state become the middle man? this would see the state push orders up and reduce prices, as they will be trading in such a manner as to do this, of course?

[3] Maybe the people could order goods in advance before they get a job? this will push orders up, and then the companies wil be able to hire more people to satisfy this demand?

 

This option [3] of mine could work well with state assistance, where they help organize the orders?

 

you would think so but no, in order for the whole world too live as america does we require five planets worth of resources, so no matter what the talk is coming from america they don't want you or anyone else too live as they do.

What they want is your resources, platinum, gold etc, and their trading you iphones, and cologne for it

hows the gold strike going over there is that still going on?

 

I am not aware of a resolution, but they are not in the news anymore.

 

If the market named africa is to get anywhere, we do not need educated people running it - we need fresh ideas. when people go to college, they get trained to think a certain way, and then they all know the same stuff, of course. imagine if you will thirty people working for a corporation all with the same ideas and ways of doing things - they are probably too scared to consider something new, yes?

I say this because if you absorb your habitat into your lifestyle and way of doing things, then it becomes monotone with the same 'standards' everywhere. so, the priority is on good ideas rather than qualifications. this of course will also mean there will be smaller salaries and better contracts with the employees, as there is so little to lose when listening to them and their ideas.

So, how do we find good ideas? is it not true that at college they have good ideas and sometimes leave? where do they go? they go straight to work with their bright ideas, of course.

We need lots of these places! maybe a place like a newsstand where people discuss politics and economies, where there is a lot of hesitation before the idea 'takes place.' if there were ways to send your ideas to banks or to the state leaders, or, even private persons, then they could become famous if their idea gets to be used, yes?

The fact is everyone naturally has a unique way of looking at the world, and everyone has a few original ideas inside them. if we could harvest these ideas 'raw' then they could be used, of course.

Setting this up will be easy. in the papers they read, there should be a contact number for the news agent and then they can send through their own ideas.

 

Part of the problem is access to capital. It is hard to work when the people do not have anything to work with. Europe and America have traditionally recognized this problem, and tried to provide help in the form of loans though the World Bank, but in the past these loans have done more harm than good, as corrupt African governments have simply taken the money leaving their country in deep debt and interest payments.

The other part of the problem is a sort of Catch-22 (if you are familiar with what that term means). Because there are so many poor people, the supply of labor is much greater than the demand for labor. This keeps wages low, and it also prevents all these people from being able to act as consumers. But the demand for labor will never be able to increase unless there are more working class consumers.

In terms of macroeconomics, might behave like a sort of tipping point, much like how an ice age works. When the people in a country are poor, it causes the country to stay poor, and it can be a difficult rut to get out of. In an ice age, all the ice reflects more sunlight from the earth's surface, causing the temperature to drop even more, or conversely, when the ice starts melting, the earth's surface becomes less reflective and absorbs more heat from the sun, causing more ice to melt.

 

That is a good analogy. let me try one of my own?

Predation, seasons, desertification.

If the money is followed by the 'predators,' and the seasons keep everyone moving around looking for new trends in markets, and there is a good deal of the world becoming useless with natural resources and water, then the predators need to go nearer to the waterholes, and that drives the prey to die, and then the predators die.

So, we need to observe the idea of mine with the 'pyramid.' if most of the big traders invest a lot into a blue chip stock, and get little out of it at the end of the day, as it is a low risk low returns 'bet,' then they will be better off going further down the pyramid, yes? there is more types of businesses there, and the returns are greater, and, the risk is also negligible. brand power should not play a part in the market. the predators need to start wearing condoms.

Sorry about my analogy, will try better next time.

 

This african market is into things that other markets are not into! why not raise product awareness overseas?

This original fashion and product line are not featured anywhere else but in africa. asian products have made their way here, so have european, australian and american products. hell, the chinese are so into exporting america's own products back at them! we should get into that too.

Now, i have seen some great purple and fancy shirts on television from africa to africa, why not make our wire windmills and sell them to the other markets? i am sure there will be a great lot of interest in the beginning at least, and that is cpaital in the bank, taxes for the state, hell, a good investment.

 

The problem in Africa is quite simple. Africa suffers from a severe lack of capital for infrastructure investment. Investment in improvements in ports and transportation and communications and education and public health have brought far larger economic growth dividends in Africa than in any other part of the world. The only problem is that these investments that have been accomplished are just a drop in the bucket compared to need and economic growth potential.

There is plenty of money sloshing around these days, so much that it has a destabilising effect on the developed nations capital markets that puts their economies at risk. A not unreasonable solution to reduce economic volatility would be to redirect some of this excess of money away from the capital markets to where it can be used to improve people's lives and advance the world economy, like in Africa.

However, there is huge resistance to this idea from the big banks since that would mean less money in the capital markets and less money for them. Their political influence caused the US and some other nations to vehemently oppose a suggestion from China to set up a new development bank specifically to finance long term infrastructure investment in Africa and other developing nations. Despite the opposition the bank has been established and some 40 nations have signed on as contributing members, pledging to redirect a portion of their national savings from the developed nations capital markets to this new development bank which will finance long term infrastructure improvements across Africa.

Africa has great promise but is held back by old thinking in both Africa and the developed world. There is no reason for Africa to not receive a larger share of the revenue from resource extraction but the old guard of corrupt politicians and corrupting businessmen continue to sell the people out. Until Africa gets a handle on political corruption advancement will be slow. The developed nations could help more, and some are trying but they are battling a massive web of long entrenched economic and political relationships that reach into the highest levels.

 

It sounds like you are suggesting some sort of African common market, so South Africa can make TV's, Kenya can make shoes, and you can buy them from each other without a lot of tariffs.

So, that, the rule of law and a few hundred million fewer people.

 

If Africa has labor and materials and resources that others around the world can use it will happen and surely is already happening. However, this process is extremely slow due to cultures, politics, unrest, risks, etc. A business will invest anywhere it makes long term sense so when it makes sense to invest in Africa it will happen. And yes, people and business in Africa, including the governments, need to market themselves to the world, but, this means competing with global resources so Africa must get their house in order...

 

Africa has labor and materials. i have no idea where the investors are.

 

Kenya is only capable of producing community organizers.

 

Apparently that's an export.

 

Africa needs to have stability in the citizenry and governments as well as competitive priced labor and materials. Foreign investment is typically not short term...

 

You have to establish law and order first.
Get rid of Boko Haram,Christian terrorists, and Warlords for starters.Stop the tribal genocide.

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They bailed before they built something worthwhile just to have it taken over by force.

 

Well, we could unite everyone behind one person, like Arch bishop desmond tutu, yes? this will bring people together i hope, but he is only a preacher. if he stood with a interview, on radio for africa, they might celebrate for the whole time that building is going on.

 

If Africa could get stable,it would be a huge economy.There's a lot of good people in Africa.There's also a lot of good people dying for no reason there.

 

The wars in africa come from lack of resources, or, lack of jobs. this means, to stop the fighting, there only needs to be enough jobs, yes?

So, to make jobs in africa, we could observe the totem idea i had for somalia in another thread. the 'group' accepts a totem, and the person with the totem uses the totem to 'barter' for something. then, the people without the totem work until they get it. once you have it, you trade it for something, sort of like money, but this is a 'group effort.'

Following on from that idea [MENTION=59634]DennisTate[/MENTION] also suggested they make their own currency? that was also a good idea, as, then there will be 'capital' you could say. if there is capital, then there is a way to develop land. the only problem is getting everyone to accept the currency, of course.

So, how do you build premises and tools out of nothing? well there is something! there is something that is not being used. if the people that want to work need tools like machines and robotic arms and screw drivers and things, the problem lies in these things being there, unused, and on the other side there are people wanting to use them, but do not have enough money to buy them.

This means there needs to be some credit, somewhere, so the products can be made, of course. if the people that have the tools were to give them away, then they will make a loss, and the people cannot afford to buy them.

This is where my totem idea comes in, if the people could give the 'toolmakers' something of value - because there is no guarantee the business will work - bit of timber or something, they could swap for tools, yes? or, the established businesses could give away their old tools, and then the people could collect hem for use?

But, this doesn't seem rock solid. i suppose the initial setup can come from buildings, yes? the people could dig through the dirt to look for sandstone or whatever you make cement with, just with a shovel. then, they could sell it to the buildings people, and maybe get enough money to buy a cement mixer. then, they could make their own buildings for their own use. but, one thing that is important for this is land, so, the state should gift some land to the people, as this is very important.

 

How about they use tear gas on all the rebels, and make them work for their jail time, building stuff for the country?

 

In africa, there are two things in plentiful supply, resources and people. by making the people process the resources, there will be production, income and taxes, not to mention a few products here and there. maybe the best route for this is through trade deals, as, this allows the state to collect money off of the hard work of others, yes? this would mean that the owners suffer while the state coffers collect, of course, but, the owners still have the end say in which types of things they sell or invest their time in, yes?

With africa so advanced with the influx of foreign investment into certain areas - this would be where the investors bring in the latest equipment for their ventures - the difference between local and off shore industry is vast. think of some guy in thailand with a wooden hovel house and the latest computers inside it - it is sort of like that. this comes from forgetting the need for physical tooling and instead trying to climb the corporate ladder commercially - there is no exports, just hangers on or processing of imports and exports that already exist. this follows from the first world, where the resources are not, yet they ship them in, slap a few changes and costs for processing, then ship them out again, mostly back to where they came from. so, i have a plan.

If the african businessmen were to conduct a short research project where they find out what is being sent to the first world, processed, and sent back, they could process it themselves, with a little loan. the west would gladly assist them with this loan, as it would be surety in the writing, the resources are there - potential - the people are there - customers - and the businesses are not there - no competition.

 

China just did it by switching to Republican capitalism. Africa should do the same thing. They only thing that prevents it is the liberal influence which is the most deadly influence in human history!

 

The state stands to gain assets by letting people 'take land.' land near the established areas is worth very little compared to built on land, so, if the state was to give land to banks, the banks could develop on the land with their own money, installing plumbing and electrical wiring. this would see the land be worth more, and, be ready to be built upon. the state wouldn't mind as they would stand to gain taxes if it is a work place, and rates either way if it is 'a housing project.'

But, there needs to be incentive to build. what could that incentive be in a troubled economy? well, in a troubled economy, the first world would stand to gain a new off shore asset or business, that costs 'trouble economy wages' to support, while they could move first world moulds and tools in there, of course.

 

you are right about that. people need land on which to sleep and raise their children. All land should be privatized and sold. Once a man owns land he has capital to borrow against for education and new businesses. This is the key to economic growth in the third world.