A Memeory From The Past And Why Training Children Will Reduce Gun Accidents

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  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    It’s country where liberty is valued, and an aspect of liberty is people are free to make choices, particularly in the confines and privacy of their homes, that might pose risk to themselves and others. Not different than anywhere else in the world. Guns, prescription drugs, alcohol, chemicals, power tools, and any number of consumer products within the home have potential risk. You may be able to child safe your home to your satisfaction, even not owning firearms, but unless you completely isolate and prevent your child from the normal social contacts of life, a child can be exposed to many risks as a visitor to another household...one you don’t control. Part of passing life/survival. Skills along is educating your children and preparing them for what they may encounter in life when you aren’t present to intervene...assuming, of course, you possess life/survival skills yourself to pass on. Can guns be encountered? Probably an infrequent thing, perhaps less than encountering the other risks mentioned, but why not educate children for that possibility? Ignorance, irrational fear, denying reality, does no one service.

    BTW, an old saying ‘the quickest way to get a child (or teen) to engage in an unwanted behavior, is to tell them It’s prohibited’.
     
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    It has nothing to do with my question about guns lying about for anyone to find.

    The U.S. has created a trigger-happy culture and backed itself against the wall and is unsuccessfully struggling to find a way out .... not by solution .... but by the deflection of "How to deal with terror from within". With the exception of the U.S. the western world is bent on eliminating murder and destitution. The U.S., on the other hand, is promoting it.

    This thread is based upon 'real time' madness in the U.S. which can only otherwise be found in war-torn parts of the world.
     
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    Utter nonsense and foolishness. True competency and mastery in music physically wrecks the human body, and is devoid of anything resembling a practical application in the real world. There is no legitimacy or practicality to devoting the time and resources to attempting to learn such.
     
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    And how well has that worked out for the rest of the world? How many successful terrorist attacks have various other nations in the supposed "western world" experienced compared to the united states?
     
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    The matter has nothing to do with a discussion of ego. It has everything to do with a discussion of practicality in the real world where the matter is truly one of life or death.
     
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    Once again false and based on an equally false media representation of the U.S. which you have subscribed to.

    By and large the people of the U.S. are quite peaceful, the problem, which is being exaggerated way beyond the reality of the situation is brought forth by a very small minority of the population, most of whom are already forbidden to own guns.

    The solution that needs to be utilized is to strictly enforce the existing laws and sentence the violators to long prison sentences, however that is blocked every time it is tried by the bleeding hearts progressive/liberals in our society.
     
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    When I came to the US from the North of Ireland in the 70’s, I was surprised of the skewed views Americans had, most still do, of the ‘Troubles’. But, I realized American views were largely influenced by the BBC which was basically a propaganda machine for the Brits at the time. It was one reason Americans and American media and film have portals of the IRA (though no understanding of the different flavors) but have virtually no mention of the Loyalist paramilitary groups such as the UVF, UFF, RHC (particularly nasty group) and the massacres (I.e. Miami Show Band... worth a Google) they were responsible for conducting.
    So, when I see foreign nationals with their skewed views of the US and Americans, I don’t find it unusual. Many of those in the EU have views influenced by the biased MS media they consume and their news sources regurgitate augmented the denigrating generalizations and resentment of Americans that are popular products of the trying to mitigate the inferiority they exhibit by being propped up by Americans.
    I still remember when I lived in Chicago my early years here, when traveling in Europe and asked where I lived in the US, upon saying Chicago in those days, there would be a flash of recognition and a comment like, ‘Oh Yes, rat-a-tat-tat’. It’s why I cut foreign nationals a bit of slack, and take a more educative approach as opposed to American GCAs and Leftists.
    BTW, when I first got here, I too had a view of Americans that was influenced by American movies. When I traveled to the West, Texas, in particular, I was disappointed not to find John Waynes with 6guns walking everywhere... I did, though, buy my first, of many, set of cowboy boots. The injuns were unrecognizable. Geeze.
     
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    Thank you, excellent information.

    Progressive/liberal P.C. dictates, they cannot be called cowboy boots, as females wear them too, the correct term is Western Boots.

    Now don't tell that to a female rancher or farmer out here, as they consider themselves to be wearing cowgirl boots and being quite proud of that term and considering what they do for a living will probably pick your butt up and toss it into a barbed wire fence, then laugh. ;-)

    I lived in an area that was quite rural, then became a urban s-hole, I travel back there once a quarter for business and while having breakfast, it never ceases to amaze me how many people living there are either morbidly obese or look like they are wasting from HIV, normal men and women are not to be found.

    But, those same people being lightly educated and heavily programmed by the MSM, look down their noses at those who live in rural areas and consider them to be uneducated hay seed hicks and I see that same attitude from many GCA's.

    However folks out here are different, they have morals, they believe working hard will make them not only healthy, but wealthy and despite what the urban dwellers have been programmed to believe, they are quite intelligent, not just in schooling which they excel at, but in a practical knowledge of reality.

    And they don't need to hit the gym, by their work they don't need one, they are already there.

    Both men and women out here are by and large in excellent shape and unlike the self hating progressive/liberals, they are very proud of their country and their contribution they make to it.

    And many of them, though it is not displayed by them are millionaires.
     
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    I am about as far from PC as you can get; I don’t believe in group think. As for the terminology, I see the terminology of the boots referred to interchangeably as Cowboy boots and Western Boots. As for not being PC, I have seen some amazing legs emerging from skirts and terminating in Cowboy Boots, and were the owner wanting to hurt me for my terminology, I’d be ok with that.
    Funny, I frequently get queried on my accent by Americans I have just met not sure if I am Irish, Brit, Australian, Canadian, or Scot. Considering I wear boots from my collection often, I sometimes, as the other night, point down to my boots and say...’Texan’. Every now and then, I get a ‘Really?’.
    Just as an aside, in Ireland it is often reported we have well over 60 accents in a country about the size of Ohio. Most from Ireland usually immediately figure me from the North, many figuring Belfast, and some even correctly guessing the specific neighborhood in West Belfast where I was raised... we have different boots there, they go by exotic names like Broga, Workboots, Muckers, Tootsies (zip ups), Belts, Waffle Stompers, a few other names, and Yanks (Cowboy Boots), but are never called Boots.
     
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    Interesting how you would disarm law enforcement and our military.
     
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    Not nearly as interesting as how you can make a string of absurd conclusions .... one right after the next one.
     
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    You have a skewed understanding of the US and it’s Culture...understandable considering your sources of information. You likely have a skewed view of the North of Ireland as well. See my post #182.
    Most of the violence in the US that involves guns is a product of the drug trade, both competition between providers and of those using crime to acquire drugs. It’s not much different than the situation created in the 1920’s with those vying for controlling the liquor trade during prohibition. Eliminate the violence associated with drugs and gangs and the US is competitively safe... in fact... for most Americans that avoid drug and gang turf, gun related violence is rare.
    https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/n...54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/
    If it wasn’t for the US, much of the Western World would be in a state of subservience or chaos.
    Then too, Makes me wonder why the US is involved in partisan dispute over immigration, you’d think with your view people would not want to live in the US...yet, it by far is the preferred destination for much of the world.
     
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    I understand very what you refer to as American “culture” … gun culture. My understanding is good. I just disagree with that and violence in equal measures.
    Are you referring to the 20+ years that I lived in the U.S. or is there some fantasy notion of disinformation you’d like to share with me?
    I have a realistic view of both Northern Ireland and the north of Ireland. Perhaps you do not know the difference between the two ….. or are you just trying to bluff your way out? In any case we are discussing the U.S. not Ireland or anything in its’ vicinity.
    How utterly silly. Using that sort of logic I’d be compelled to remind you that the U.S. would have no roads if not for the Romans. No ships if not for the Chinese. No motorcars if not for the French. No electricity if not for the English. Shall I go on?
    Anyway, it is a very odd subject you’ve chosen to PR the U.S. with regards to “subservience and chaos”. You’ve never heard of Vietnam, I take it? What about Cambodia? Laos? Irak? Iran? Syria? Libya? Should I continue? Talk about American fostered “subservience and chaos”!
     
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    You said "Children's hands be kept a million miles away from any gun."

    100% of the guns in the world are within that range. Did you mean to say something else?

    I have 5 kids and taught them how to safely operate firearms when they were very young. By the time someone is old enough to own a firearm, you don't think having years of experience in gun safety is a good idea?

    Im just trying to understand your position.
     
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    You couldn't be more incorrect if you tried.

    The American Culture is based on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and guns are only a part of that culture.

    Life, having the right to own a gun is a good way to preserve life, a law abiding armed American has the ability to defend himself, his family and others around him from criminals intent on doing him harm or taking his life, or the life of others. It allows a person regardless the their physical condition to be able to defend themselves and be secure in their environment.

    Liberty, having a gun allows a person to have the liberty to go where he pleases when he pleases, without fearing what may be out there waiting to attack.

    Pursuit of happiness is a very important freedom, living behind locked doors with bars on the windows makes a person a prisoner in their own home and that precludes having any form of happiness.
     
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    If I said that I stand by it.
    I said what I said. I did not say what you claim I said.
    Don't blame me for that. That's your own fault.
    What a load of crap. 'Old enough' by the standards of a shoot-em-up culture is not much more than PR for the gun manufacturers who don't give a cobbler's cufflink about the daily murder rate.
    I don't believe you.
     
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    If you stand by it, a million miles from children's hands would require disarming every human on earth, including law enforcement and the military. Now I understand your position. If all the weapons on Earth disappeared, what happens to the sick thoughts of tyrannical leaders, rapists and murderers? How does disarming law enforcement and providing criminals with easy victims make us safer?
     
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    Ask those who live in the U.K. how it's working out for them.

    "Homicides in England reach highest level in a decade."

    Or maybe those in Japan.

    A knife-wielding man has attacked a group of schoolchildren waiting for a bus in the Japanese city of Kawasaki near Tokyo.

    At least 18 people were injured in a residential area. Two of them, an 11-year-old girl and a 39-year-old man, have died.

    The suspect, a man in his 50s, stabbed himself in the neck after his rampage and later died in hospital.
     
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    Is this supposed to be a profound response?
     
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    Did you not think your position through?
     
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    No it's a valid question, why do you answer it with a thoughtful answer instead of diverting from the question.

    Or do what's correct, admit your error and retract your foolish comment.
     
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    The euphemism, ‘gun culture’, like many created by the Left, is a deception meant to demonize gun owners. Culture, any culture, isn’t defined by a single artifact, nor in the US is gun ownership a defining characteristic of Americans. Nor, in America, is there a monolithic Culture; there are many different cultures that persist in tandem across the landscape, coexisting under a shared recognition of the principles, values and rights of the US Constitution that allow different peoples to participate in the Republic.

    Living in the US doesn’t mean you have developed an understanding of US culture that isn’t influenced by the bias of your past or current native Culture nor your means of being informed. I have been in the US for over 40 years and there are still elements of thinking I don’t completely get.

    There is a difference between Northern Ireland and the North of Ireland in colloquial references, but few outside Ireland can define the distinction or the usage of lingual references. You might or might not know. As for a having realistic view, I doubt it; more than likely your view, as that of most Americans, is influenced by that projected by the BBC (the major media source shaping reporting of the North, the players, their motives, and the History) which has been projecting a politically biased narrative since the BBC began to report. The point being made, foreign national’s views are as influenced by the US’s politically biased MS media projecting a partisan narrative as those outsider views of the North of Ireland are influenced by the BBC. To illustrate the latter, answer a couple questions about the ‘Troubles’. What and who precipitated the ‘Troubles’, where and when did they start? What is the objective of the IRA? (I guarantee you will get this wrong), what of the UVF? Who are the major antagonists? Few people can answer these questions without them being erroneously shaped by the BBC’s shaped narrative.
    So, saying the US has a gun culture with trigger happy people is an erroneous view propagated by a partisan MS media’s politically biased narrative that is accepted as fact by many foreign nationals willing to accept any derision of Americans that helps them to adopt a vaporous superior moral standing to assuage their underlying inferiority and resentment of their dependencies on US military protection and being a flea on the tail of US economy dog.

    Aside from a lack of historically inaccurate view of History which I find interesting, there are some interesting notions of origins and a lack of understanding that certain technology and social organization structures have arisen independently is world history. For instance, roads appeared in the America’s before Rome began building them. As for who was first, history/archaeology and the tracing of origins is hugely incomplete and ripe for those that would capitalize on all sorts of narratives to fill the gaps...people like Erich von Däniken. BTW, I used to teach a graduate level class in critical thinking that dissected and debunked Erich von Däniken’s claims. These types of pseudo scientific narratives are one of the mainstays of YouTube... you know... the stuff of the forbidden knowledge clack.

    I won’t defend American foreign policy as I am a frequent critic some administration’s attempt at political engineering and proxy wars with Russia/China over the last 75 years, except that it’s America’s military power that stood between those that have tried/and would dominate countries and people’s like yours for the last 100 and more years and remind that in the instances of Cambodia, Laos, Irak, Iran, Syria, Libya and others, the US generally hasn’t acted unilaterally, but usually with the approval and physical participation of it’s allies.
     
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    It is a demonstration that the position being presented on the part of yourself is logically unsound and devoid of merit.
     
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    Wrong. It is used to properly demonize the gun.

    On the other hand, people say it's not the gun - but the shooter - who commits the crime so perhaps gun-owners ought to take the responsibility ... and the title of "demon".
    But it means that have a far better understanding of it than you.
    If you are having problems (or questions) with it just ask me and I will enlighten you.
     
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    What responsibility must be taken, when it has been confirmed as fact that the majority of all firearm-related incidents in the united states are being committed by those who cannot legally possess a firearm to begin with? Explain such.
     

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