A Night sat the Garden 1939

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  1. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Below, I've crossed out what I think Republicans do not support. Feel free to correct me.



    Anyone else want to try? Go ahead.
     
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  2. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's a review from 1940, published in the New York Times, on, "The Mortal Storm". That's the movie I recommend and posted. I'll post a portion. I recommend reading the rest at the link provided.

    I ask you what is happening on our university campuses today? Please look at this with objective perspective.
     
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  3. JakeStarkey

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    You reframed what I said, so you answer your question.

    I don't think the Alt Right fascists are by any means mainstream GOP like my family for five generations. My father and brothers and grandfather all fought the Nazis then and would do so now.
     
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    I stand corrected. Maybe you will offer enough information next post, so that I won't have to assume or ask too many questions? I also asked for you or anyone to offer your opinions and rather than do that, you simply correct me. It's okay to correct me, but an answer to the questions would have corrected me and given your opinions.

    Edit: I do believe, if you are going to say they are not the same as Republicans, you do Republicans a disservice by calling them Alt-Right. ee.
     
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    History's a funny thing, there are all kinds of surprising details scattered about the footnotes.

    While Hitler was exterminating Jews and other 'undesirables' and the U.S. was still undecided about entering WW2, a Nazi in China by the name of John Rabe was going to truly heroic efforts to protect Chinese citizens from the Massacre of Nanking -- Rabe had been living in China since 1908, had joined the Nazi party for its message of national socialism, and apparently had no clue what the party was actually about or what Hitler was doing. Upon finally returning to Germany in 1938, he lectured on the atrocities visited upon Nanking by the Japanese army and naively petitioned Hitler to influence the Japanese army away from further genocide. Which earned him endless trouble both before and after the war's end, both by the Gestapo and by Britain and Russia.

    Anyhow, yeah. History ain't simple.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    You should read American history. There was a propaganda campaign against Hitler and the Nazis and American white troops killed them by the droves but the around the southern POW camps in America loved them. They treated the black soldiers guarding them like dirt and the Nazis like kings.
     
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    How many black troops were that, ten? Black troops in Europe were used in support roles, not as front line soldiers. A few got to fly a few planes but it was not specific army policy for them to do it. When they actually got into fights it was more by accident than by planning.

    Hitler did have an integrated army.
     
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    Heck, we had Jews in our concentration camps and sent some to Germany during the war. And not one Japanese person in Hawaii was ever thrown into a concentration camp. The reason why the ones on the mainland were placed in concentration camps was because of the over the top racist propaganda directed against the Japanese. If they had been free the mobs would have killed them.
     
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    Sure.

    http://www.itemonline.com/news/loca...df4-9c97-9a31e65d26af.html?mode=image&photo=0

    https://blog.genealogybank.com/wp-c...ning-news-newspaper-1109-1944-german-pows.png

    https://www.selloscope.com/bez/The-Enemy-Within-Never-Did-Without-German-and-Japanese/1680030280
    "Then, during the last months of the war, the American military selected Camp Huntsville as the home of its top-secret re-education program for Japanese POWs. The irony of teaching Japanese prisoners about democracy and voting rights was not lost on African Americans in East Texas who faced disenfranchisement and racial segregation."
     
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    Axis sympathizers?
     
  11. Chester_Murphy

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    If you consider middle eastern and north African Muslims a different race from black Africans and African Americans.
     
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    (1) Enough info was given, so you did not need to run off into the brush.

    (2) Alt Right is the correct description, and no apology is needed for the GOP. The mainstream can destroy the Alt Right politically if it wants to.
     
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    Now you're a mind reader. Can you pull a rabbit out of your hat, too?
     
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    Do you know any history? These were combat troops: infantry, tankers, combat engineers, fighter and fighter-bomber pilots, and they were on combat missions.

    The Army had an entire black division in Italy engaged in combat operations.

    Stop the ignorance n attitude, please.
     
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    Not really. The US forced the South American countries to deport their Jews to the US and to Canada, where they were placed in concentration camps. Some were then sent to Nazi Germany.
     
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    Chester_Murphy said:
    I stand corrected. Maybe you will offer enough information next post, so that I won't have to assume or ask too many questions? I also asked for you or anyone to offer your opinions and rather than do that, you simply correct me. It's okay to correct me, but an answer to the questions would have corrected me and given your opinions.

    Edit: I do believe, if you are going to say they are not the same as Republicans, you do Republicans a disservice by calling them Alt-Right.

    JakeStarkey said:
    (1) Enough info was given, so you did not need to run off into the brush.

    (2) Alt Right is the correct description, and no apology is needed for the GOP. The mainstream can destroy the Alt Right politically if it wants to.
    You can troll all you want, and I can correct that without any problem. The GOP can eliminate the Alt Right by simply stating these organizations do not represent GOP values and standards.
     
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    A segregated division fighting people the US didn't really accept as white people.
     
  18. Chester_Murphy

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    You lost me. This doesn't seem to fit with what you said previously. I'm tired, too, so I might be missing something.
     
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    Jake, take a break. I don't understand you at all. That's what I've been trying to tell you. Let me go. It's not worth it.

     
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    "African" Americans are not a race. They might be considered an ethnic group but individually they are a mixture of all races.
     
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    Germans.

    Now you are stupid or pretending to be stupid, which is the same thing.

    The two black infantry divisions served one in North Africa and Italy against Italians and Germans, and one in the Pacific against the Japanese.
     
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    Wyrd is either lying, trolling, or suffering dementia.
     
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    You refuse to understand clear, concise statements. Either you are a troll, a sealion, or incompetent.
     
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    Your apparent knowledge of world history is that of an eye brow mite's, less than nothing.
     

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