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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham shared some new details of what ex-President Donald Trump was up to pre-Capitol insurrection with the House Jan. 6 Select Committee during her interview in early January, according to the Guardian.

    Grisham told the committee that Trump held off-the-books meetings at the White House that apparently only a few staffers knew about and were mostly scheduled by then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, the Guardian reports.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...ouse-stephanie-grisham-insurrection-committee

    Why would the meetings be "off the books?"
     
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  2. Noone

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    I for one, among many Americans calling out Benedict Donald's treachery.
     
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  3. Noone

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    It was a DAY of infamy, more dangerous to American Government BY the People than any other we've ever faced.
     
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  4. Noone

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    Obviously you didn't watch the video, come back and try to peddle that BS when you have.
     
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    There was an insurrection. Trump, his attorneys and those in congress who now protect him KNOW it was an insurrection. People are in PRISON right now accused of different crimes for legal lingo (like "sedition") that boils down to what is universally considered an insurrection.

    I consider you to be a reasonable fellow. Do you think that Trump would go to all this effort to keep documents away from investigators if he didn't KNOW that this was an insurrection? AND that he incited it?

    It was an attempt to overthrow the results of legitimate elections. Trump SAID that this was the purpose. Plus it was also a VIOLENT attempt. That is an insurrection. Nothing else matters. It doesn't matter how long it lasted. It doesn't matter if he just happened to utter the word "peacefully" in a small part of one of his speeches. He and his minions clearly incited the violence. Not to mention that, as it was happening, first he did nothing to stop it, then he dragged his feet.... which tells any reasonable observer that he was supportive of it. The documents have not been made public yet, but Trump's immense efforts to stop them from coming out is CLEAR indication that this was his intention from the start, and that he did nothing to very little to stop it when it was taking place.

    This plus the fact that Trump has no scruples. We know he colluded with an enemy of the United States, just to get elected.. We know he attempted to obstruct the investigations of the fact (which came out anyway and proved the facts). We know he has committed other crimes during and before his Presidency. Yes... he left "back doors" open for his loyal fanatics to make up excuses. But any reasonable individual understands that they were "escape hatches" with no actual foundation in reality.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. That is not what I'm saying.
     
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    Watch video on OP.
     
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    Thanks for the laugh. To keep our nation safe, we must ban fuzzy hats with horns or next time we won't be so lucky!
     
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    So, you didn't watch the video. :roll:

    What'cha afraid of?
     
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    I always love events like this because it just make all the partisans crazy with hypocrisy. Conservatives look, yes it's a big deal to have a bunch of people go running up in the capitol screaming and breaking doors and windows.

    People are right to be concerned about it. Liberals ffs I think yall are just jealous you didn't think of it first. I mean my personal philosophy is probably more in line with yours but this is the result of rule by a corporatist oligarchy that has marginalized ALL of us.

    I'm not mad at the Jan 6th participants. Personally I think the congress had become far too comfortable, and frankly I was happy to see them rattled I don't really care by who, and the more they respond to it with animosity designed to scare people into supporting their campaign coffers I hope it continues to get more uncomfortable until this system can no longer continue, and we can replace it with one that incentivises cooperation, and sound policy over hyperbole, and social issue pandering.
     
  11. Doofenshmirtz

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    I am afraid if heights, but that is not relevant. I don't need youtube videos to make my arguments. There was nothing this group did that a reasonable person could consider a "coup". If ever there was a government overthrown by this kind of group, they deserve it.
     
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  12. AmericanNationalist

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    Pearl Harbor: A total of over 3,000 of our brethren were a combined killed/injured.

    https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/pearl-harbor-fact-sheet-1.pdf

    9/11: https://www.britannica.com/event/September-11-attacks Another nearly 3,000 lives

    1/6: FIVE.

    Biden/Harris's propaganda is the most disgusting Stalin-esque thing we've seen in US Political history. They mocked the patriotic dead for political votes. That's their administration in a nutshell.
     
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    Yes. I concur. I've really been having a hard time with all this. Nobody could have paid me to think millions of people would stand behind somebody so horrible and evil. I admit he does have charisma (most con men do) but my brain is still trying to process what is happening.

    I have absolutely NO doubt that if anybody else did a fraction of what he's done to reek havoc everywhere he goes, we would all be deputized to take the intruder down.

    And, the saddest part is that *because* he can manipulate so many people without ever delivering, he could have used that power for good. Instead, he stuck to his MO that's done him well for over half a century - lie, obstruct, whine, slander, pretend, lie some more and grift as much as he can for as long as he can. Anybody that doesn't know he's a snake by now just don't want to know. At this point, I have no other choice but to count them as traitors along with him. This whole thing is just wrong, wrong on so many levels. Just pure evil.
     
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    The outcome of Peral Harbor and 9/11 was never a threat to Government By The People; 1-6-2021 was a direct attack on it.
     
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    I don't need a forum to watch youtube. I don't need youtube to make my arguments for me. My reply was to a forum member that used the term "coup".

    If you support that position and want me to watch a short clip of what you believe supports that claim, post the time and I will have a look. Meanwhile, no reasonable person would call this a coup, unless they were making the case that it was the worst coup ever! If they were trying to seize control over a Denny's or a laundromat, they were likely equipped for that.
     
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    1/6 was a lack of riot/crowd control(as the majority of Americans agree.) And i disagree that Imperial Japan very much was a threat to our government, as was Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Both of those entities are worse in that they deliberately targeted and killed American civilian populations.

    The propaganda dismissing our patriotic dead did not come from the Russians or the Chinese, it came from our own sitting government. You recognize why there's historic first term anger towards this term right?
     
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    Watch the video.
     
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    IF, you study War 2 and what Japan's goal was in bombing Pearl Harbor, you will learn that even Yamamoto ... especially Yamamoto (who had studied in the U.S.) ... knew that Japan could never defeat the United States. The goal of destroying our fleet at Pearl was to weaken our resolve and get us to the bargaining table to achieve a treaty over their expansion designs; it didn't work, just like tRumps attempt to overturn the election didn't work.

    Al-Qaeda was never a threat to Government BY the People. Trumps coup definitely was, had he succeeded in overturning the election.

    I have no idea what you're talking about in the second sentence in this or any other context.
     
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    Yes, the suicide bombings, world trade center bombings, anthrax, etc all of which was never aimed at intimidating the people and their government! And again, Japan's was an act of war. Scores of our patriotic citizens and our men and women serving died. d i e d.

    Pearl Harbor and 9/11 shouldn't ever be in the same sentence as 1/6. When Biden/Harris did that, they became worse human beings than Donald Trump. I would never have imagined putting them in the same sentence, my conscious would not allow me to do so.
     
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    I do not suckle from partisan nipples. Next, you will try to compare the group tantrum to Pearl Harbor.
     
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    Hmm. so no one important.. got it.
     
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    Compared to what normally happens when the left assemble in public, this wasn't even notable.. But sure, you got skart...
     
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    So provide a quote that substantiates your baseless assertion. We'll wait.
     
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    I did. For the vast majority of those there, they were "mostly peaceful", and isn't that how we judge these things these days?
     
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    I would never diminish the sacrifice it took to win World War II, or what we lost on 9/11 and I agree they should never be used in the same sentence as January 6th 2001. Because they can't be equated. But, look back and you'll see that it's you that tried to diminish January 6th 2001 by comparing it to World War II, 9/11 and other tragedies.

    January 6th 2001 lives in infamy because NEVER before have American Citizens attacked their Government on orders from THE sitting President; it always will.
     
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