A Prelude to Slaughter? Chow Dead in Hong Kong

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  1. lpast

    lpast Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I watched kent state happen on the tube, back then national guardsmen were truly just weekend warriors, that drank beer and didnt have a clue. They were ill trained had poor leadership and had what looked like a hundred kids charging them throwing bottles and rocks, someone got scared fired and more fired.

    That has no correlation to what happens in Hong Kong or anywhere else they have tyranny.
     
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    You can see the great 'moral' you and the Western press support. They're beating a girl with a metal rod for daring to open her mouth. She probably told them to go back to their own country. The brutality reminds me of the Nazis in Maidan. They were also supported by the Western press.

    In our Orwellian world, beating up others is known as Democracy in action. Frankly I can't understand, why aren't these thugs being arrested?

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1194170748945911808
     
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    Funny how reminiscent these criminals are to those at Maidan. They're now armed with Javelins and catapults. It's almost as if they're being trained by the same 'evil' forces. Frankly I can't understand it. Most nations will not allow the CIA and Soros supported NGO's into their countries, why didn't they get rid of them when the first protests started two years ago?

    Now the latest:


    Armed with petrol bombs, javelins and other weapons, demonstrators seized control of the Chinese University of Hong Kong (CUHK) on Tuesday night, forcing riot police to retreat. Similar clashes took place on several other university campuses in the city. Photographs and videos show large fires started by the protesters, who threw petrol bombs and constructed impromptu barricades to keep police at bay.

    The chaos prompted Chief Superintendent John Tse Chun-chung to accuse the demonstrators of mass-producing Molotov cocktails on CUHK’s grounds.

    "A university is supposed to be a breeding ground for future leaders, but it became a battlefield for criminals and rioters. What’s worse, we have strong suspicions that the school was used as a weapons factory as several hundred petrol bombs were thrown on campus in a single day."
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    An anti-government protester makes Molotov cocktails during a protest at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China November 12, 2019. © REUTERS/Tyrone Siu
     
  4. Adfundum

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    I'd say China is quite conscious of how the world still judges it through the lens of Tienanmen Square. The Global Times has been promoting a narrative of the events in Hong Kong as a Western attempt to take China off the global stage. It has blocked all but official state media from reporting, and is presenting the people of Hong Kong as the enemies of the Chinese people. When China started to crack down on the protests, the world spoke out about Tienanmen and China backed down a bit. The interesting thing is that many Chinese had never heard about the massacre there.

    It would not be a surprise to learn that China has infiltrated the protesters and promoted acts of violence in order to sway the people against the protesters. That would clear the path for the military to go in and take over.
     
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    Then you know they think America is the good guys.
    Bad guys have always been rather naive.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At first I thought that maybe China might have been behind the protests so they would have an excuse to take over, but everything is so reminiscent of the anarchists in Europe, and especially what was going on with the trained Nazis at Maidan, that they must be getting their directives from the same people.

    There have also been protests in every country with American NGO's, so most countries will not allow them. In Macedonia 2 years ago they were holding up signs saying 'George Soros' out. His Open Society Foundation supported about 40 organizations in that tiny country alone. Why Hong Kong didn't get rid of them with the first protests a few years ago is beyond me.

    Were the Hong Kong authorities and/or China under economic pressure not to intervene? Who knows!
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Frankly, there is not enough information to say anything about this attack because the attackers and their motives are hidden. If it is the idealists in Hong Kong fighting for their freedom, then this women had better be the re-incarnation Ilse Kock, the B!tch of Buchenwald.
     
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    Wouldn't 'idealists' fighting for freedom by setting others on fire and beating them with iron rods be an oxymoron? How about some reality.

    At Maidan they were doing the same thing as what the anarchists are doing in Hong Kong. The legal and democratically elected president Yanukovich didn't want the police to fire on the 'protesters', and so the Nazi thugs were throwing Molotov cocktails and beating them up. Now let's see how that ended up?

    The criminal oligarchs who were paying the thugs, pocketed billions from the IMF loans, and the Ukrainian average income is now $250 a month. So what is your so called 'ideal'? Is it for the rich to get richer, and let all the 'untermenchen' suffer?
     
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    Hmmm. Unfortunately, there is nothing in the video that identifies those attackers as anything but black-hooded humans attacking a woman. The who, what, when, where, and why are missing.

    With regards to the Ukrainians and their State, they and it are a product of Kantian philosophy, until they correct their basic premises, they are always going to be screwed.

    As to my ideal?... the individual, living life freely.
     
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    As for corruption in politics--its source is the same error, Kantian. Until humans freely accept reason as their only moral guide and reject subjective whims and altruistic absurdities as ethical principles, they are doomed to suffer psyche disturbances, emotional havoc, and manmade catastrophes. And what reason states is: The solution to corruption is the separation of the State from the economy; free men need honorable judges to settle their disputes according to objective law, not overlords with whips, guns, dungeons, and torture chambers to soothe the overlords' psyche pain. There is no need to bribe the powerless.
     
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    HK 1967 brit kill about 51 people, 5k arrested, thousands injuries. this was under brit rule. even now chile/Lebanon/spain catalonia/Iraq protest, the list goes on, how many dead already? Spain call it enforcing law in Catalonia, same with chile/Iraq and other place. so whats so different in HK. consider in 5 month of protest, 2 people die vs dozens or more died within a weeks of protest in those place.
     
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    actually a lot Chinese know about tienanmen square, but they just belief that's in the past, and concentrate on their own future economy, basically getting rich rather than worry about politic.
     
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    Are you suggesting it's ok to kill protesters because it's been done before?
    Those who were interviewed knew almost nothing about it.
     
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    And I forgot to mention the pre-Revolutionary War acts of tar and feathering of British Tax Collectors, and burning down of British officials’ homes in America, by the American Revolutionaries.

    Whatever the Kong Kong protestors sins and errors, their fight is still Liberty vs Tyranny, and they have every moral right to demand freedom from CPC oppression and authoritarian rule.
     
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    I'm suggest bias in the media. Why the headline is HK not Chile Spain or other place that has more deaths and destruction. They call Spain Catalonia enforcing law while HK oppression. Double standards


    As for tianmen Square yes I lot Chinese know s. I asked. Remember there are millions Chinese travel overseas each year. Also VPN in China.
     
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    Oh I'm not say they don't have right. Its the methods doing it wrong and counter productive
     
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  18. Adfundum

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    Ok, but this thread is about Hong Kong and China, not those other countries you mentioned.
    Is the media biased? Only a fool would believe it's not.
    Are we biased against China? Unquestionably. After years of Cold War, proxy wars, and now trade wars, there is plenty of tension.
    Regardless, the fact that China can control what people can know about the past and the present is a serious issue. The fact that state-controlled media (undeniably biased) can essentially rally it's people against the protesters in Hong Kong by creating it's own media is what I referred to previously.
     
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    to them it's all the same topic... hate on america until it gives them 'freesh*t' for life
     
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    i have no doubt china has bias media, one sided, but i expect more from western media, at least report truth and fact, otherwise whats difference between CCP news vs western news. as for HK protest, its a riot not a peaceful protest anymore. if HK protester didn't use violence there is no way CCP can spin it, it will just block the news. but the fact is HK did vandalizing and targeting mainland chinese, this cause hatred toward HK protester from mainlander, even oversea chinese who have access to both side of news are against it. Spain for example, media saying its enforcing law which justify the police oppression of catalonia protester.
     
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    since when did ppl call for freedom start killing senior citizens
     
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    I think we're at the point where anything we see in the media should be questioned. Can we say with any real certainty that the violence is not the work of people trying to make the protesters look brutal and viscous? I'm not saying they are all peaceful and non violent, but I'm skeptical of all media. I start with the assumption that it's false or misleading and work from there.
     
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    They have the moral right to use force against any tyranny seeking to enslave them. I would remind everyone of the Amistad ruling:

    "In 1840, a federal district court found that the transport of the kidnapped Africans across the Atlantic Ocean on the Portuguese slave ship Tecora was in violation of laws and accepted treaties against the international slave trade by Great Britain and Ireland, Spain, and the United States. The captives were ruled to have acted as free men when they fought to escape their kidnapping and illegal confinement. The court ruled the Africans were entitled to take whatever legal measures necessary to secure their freedom, including the use of force. Under international and Southern sectional pressure, American President Martin Van Buren ordered the case appealed to the Supreme Court. It affirmed the lower district court ruling on March 9, 1841, and authorized the release of the Mende, but overturned the additional order of the lower court that they be returned to Africa at government expense."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._The_Amistad

    As well as the Declaration of Independence:
    "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation...

    "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...

    "... the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

    The principle is one of self-defense: When those in power seek to tyrannize, free beings have a right to revolt.

    I stand with Hong Kong and her idealistic revolutionaries and condemn Xi Jinping and his fellow thugs, and any who side with him and the CPC in any way, shape, or form.
     
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    Xi Jinping and the CPC will do everything within their power to portray this as immature anarchists seeking to overthrow proper civil authority, just as King George and his Redcoat Brigadoons tried to do. China may succeed in murdering this aspiration of liberty, but the flame of liberty will always burn eternal in the free souls of individuals.


    The Hong Kong Revolutionaries have laid down the gauntlet, have stated their grievances and demands, and have acted in self-defense to obtain what is their moral right, liberty. China can end it in one moral act, all they need to do is think. In such a battle between tyranny and liberty, there are no innocent bystanders, only ignorants, fools, villains, and heroes.

    And yes, I am very biased, toward liberty, and against tyranny--I feel the same way about chocolate pudding and diarrhea.
     
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    Who is funding the Hong Kong Protest leaders?

    Lord :pray:
    I hope no one reading this is so naive as to believe it is spontaneous.


    The same sponsors as those who financed the putsch in Ukraine methinks.



    Moi :oldman:
    Just because I'm a conspiracist
    doesn't mean it isn't.







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