A Ranger gave my mom a ticket for not having a pass even though she showed him her pass

A park ranger gave my Mom a ticket for not having her discovery pass displayed on her window even they she showed the ranger she had a discovery pass. She still got the ticket

 

Didn't you just get a ticket the other day for going 10 over the speed limit taking your mom to the ER for breaking her ankle?

Do you have an infamous last name? Why are the cops handing your family tickets like candy?

 

No, I don't really have an infamous last name.

Other than maybe living on the South Beach for at least 6 generations.


But, I'm poor.

 

Might be interesting to see what the ranger says if you try to contest the ticket in court.

Sometimes some of these rangers might be corrupt, trying to increase revenue. Since the fine is only a small amount of money, there may be nothing you can do.
It's unfortunate there were not other witnesses around (in the car or outside) who were unrelated to your mom.

You didn't give all the details of the story, but I am presuming by the way you were describing it, your mom was actually there and pointed out to the ranger she did indeed have a discovery pass but the ranger just ignored her complaint? Or was your mom not there? In that case, there is always the possibility of human error. Maybe the ranger was being hairbrained that day and genuinely made a mistake. Could have been the car right next to your mom's car that did not have the pass.

 

Thought the same so now I'll just assume "we" are being trolled.

Just in case it's not so, I always drive around with loose individual rolls of cash just for these times.

 

Can you fill in the gap between being poor and the cops handing out tickets? Why you believe that may be a factor?

 

Maybe, but trolls need love too.

Psst. That's supposed be on the DL.

 

Sure.

Take the simplest example,

a 100.00$ ticket is ten times more punishment for someone making 10,000.00$ a year than it is for someone making 100,000.00$ a year

 

Do you see how that contradicts the claim that you may be targeted because you are poor?

 

I’ve had Fish and Game wardens bust out of trees with shotguns pointed at us just because they seen me on a four wheeler an hour prior they seen me drinking beer. They even gave me a sobriety test (which I passed), and searched all of our trucks. Not one ticket was given but the point is park rangers and Fish and Game wardens actually have more authority than a regular cop. Most of them are jerks too. But trust me, you’re not the only one that has had bad experiences with them.

 

Take a more complex example,

The people on the show Alaskan Bush People were charged with fraud and sent to prison for not having proof they were living in Alaska to get the Fund Dividend residents of Alaska typically get because you know, you don't have things like an electric bill to prove you were living in Alaska when you are living in the bush.

Meanwhile, Freddie May and Fannie Mac defrauded thousands of people out of billions of dollars by leading investors to believe the securities they were investing in were gauranteed like virtually all other bonds when they were not gauranteed, and there was no doubt Freddy May and Freddie Mac did that. They were like oh yeah we did that and how much time did they receive???

Nothing, 0, absolutely no time but the government did give each of them 1 billion dollars.

So, when you're poor and you have no proof you are innocent, you get jail time. Meanwhile if you are rich and you have absolutely no doubt you committed a crime you get a billion dollars.

That's the difference between being poor and being rich in the justice system in America.

 

Yes, but, that's how it is.

The poor are the cogs in the wheel that make the prison industrial complex work.

 

OK. But, if you start at your first post and read through until this one, your complaint was that you got a ticket (and subsequently said it was because you are poor). This post speaks to corruption and the disparities between the "haves" and the "have nots" which is not clear in your OP.

Secondly, if you were at fault for the tickets you received, it helps to not be combative with the judge, provide proof that you were rushed because your mom got hurt (it may not help as they usually say "that's what paramedics are for") and take responsibility for your actions.

For the discovery pass ticket, have your mom get the relevant bank statement that shows the transaction or the receipt to show the judge that she did have one in her possession on the date the ticket was issued. Again, it might not help, but it won't hurt.

In the meantime, do a search on your last name and anyone that may be in prison and/or on the sexual offenders list for your area. For three months, the Chief of Police out here wouldn't return my phone calls. He had no choice when I sent a formal letter requiring signature of receipt. He immediately apologized to me and said he didn't call back because some jerk with the same last name was bitching at him about his brother (same last name) being lawfully arrested for a crime he committed. The COP thought I was related to that family. It might not sort things out for you but it could just be a case of crossed wires.

Beyond that, slow down and put your mom's pass wherever the law says it needs to be displayed.

 

You say those things as though you have had experience with the American justice system having morals, values, ethics, and principles.

As though you have never been pulled over for no reason or had evidence planted upon you.

You're a rich guy aren't you?

I am right aren't I?

 

My Mom was there. The Park Ranger Ignored her complaint.

 

No, I say those things as an American citizen. Admittedly, there are corrupt people in every field but they all are not evil or hate poor people or are out to get you. Our leaders reflect who we are and if we want them to be better people, we have to start with our own hearts.

Well, that's out in left field. First, it was your mom broke her ankle and you were going 10 over the speed limit and she got a ticket despite having the discovery pass she was ticketed for not having displayed wherever it was supposed to be.

And, NOW, evidence has been planted on you?

No, I've never had the cop stop me and plant evidence on me. However, I have had cops...

* beat me up in front of my children.
* kick in my front door and barge in with guns drawn.
* lie and embellish details in police reports.
* threaten me in front of my children.
* chase me down a highway and surround my vehicle and drag me out with guns drawn.
* handcuff me and perp walk me out of my own house in front of my children.
* pick me up and force me to go to a mental hospital (I was not kept there).
* go into court and lie about all the above to help my ex bar me from all future court dates.
* do absolutely nothing to help me when my ex kidnapped our two children.
* do absolutely nothing to help me when my ex threatened my life.
* do absolutely nothing to help me when I was locked out of my own house and everything I owned was taken.

However, I still respect police officers (not the above ones) and I still obey the law. However, their actions were very traumatic to my children and they are afraid of all people in uniforms because of what they saw happen to me for SEVEN YEARS straight. Note, I have never been arrested or questioned in any crime in my life. It was just unrelenting harassment from my ex and the Chief of the Police turned a blind eye to the false reports made to 911.

I think if we sat down and had a pow-wow you'd apologize for your implications in this thread. I've had two doctors and a psychiatrist ask me how the hell I haven't killed myself or others because of what I've faced. I certainly am not claiming to have the worst life in the world, but it is far from whatever fantasy you're imagining based on the few replies I've given you here.

I'd appreciate you not making sweeping generalizations about who I am and what I have and what I stand for.

This is your thread about repeated encounters with your local law enforcement. If you didn't want comments, you probably should have stated that in the beginning or post this on your own blog where you can b!tch and moan as much as you like and people don't feel the need to comment. Either way, I'd appreciate you being as respectful to me as I've been to you.

 

As you've no doubt discovered, there are double standards between men and women in domestic conflict cases.
This is mostly a separate topic.

They know women can be emotionally crazy and probably didn't want to send the mother of two children to prison. Domestic conflict situations are viewed a little differently. Police want to stay out of it... when the man is the victim.

If they arrest you, it's mainly to give space between you and the woman so things can have an opportunity to calm down. One of the best ways to avoid arrest in such a situation is to make sure you tell responding officers early on that you will be staying in a hotel room for a couple of nights, away from the home. Officers really don't like to be called back to the same home multiple times. Trying to act like a marriage counselor and mediating between fighting couples is not what they signed up for.

 

We have the same law here. These kinds of passes MUST be displayed on the dash or a window. Officers rely on that easy readability to do their job properly. Failure to display the pass will get you ticketed, every time.

Why didn't your mom just do what was required?

 

Please try to focus a minute. Your OP, which should have a topic of concern or interest and your opinion or position about said topic in order to pen the discussion. Both of those give your reader a starting point by which to share their points of view.

Both of your posts about getting tickets exclude all the supporting information you are now including in subsequent posts. That gives the reader the impression that you just want to vent.

 

Commence violin music...

 

What does poverty have to do with it? LE are trained to look for indicators of 'low compliance', which has nothing to do with wealth. Some rich people look and behave like unpredicatable trash, and some poor people look and behave conservatively and respectably.

 

It's a very odd post. He explains what his mom did wrong (failed to display pass according to statute), then complained when she was caught. Had it been my mother, I'd have made the post about the old dear getting busted for her naughtiness.

 

I'm not willing to call the OP a liar or half-truther because I've been accused of lying and I know my crazy story is absolutely true.

With that said, however, it appears the OP may have some intense <emotions> about police officers and is getting out this way rather than just being more direct and stating his <whatever feelings> and allowing the reader to understand his or her point of view.



http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ation-for-every-poor-person-they-kill.597615/









http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cket-taking-her-to-the-emergency-room.597473/

 

Getting a ticket for taking someone to hospital? Sure thing, happens all the time. I work in a hospital, and it's super tedious having to patch people up extra because of all those ticketing delays.

The correct title should have read "I chose to speed while driving mom to the hospital and got caught".

The conversation would have gone something like this "why did you speed, if it wasn't life threatening?", followed by "it was a really bad break", to which my response would have been "that's what ambulances are for .. so either it was bad enough for an ambulance, or it wasn't - and if it wasn't, why did you speed?"

 

Yeah, but why are you trying to use logic here? And, why is his mom out driving without her pass wherever it should be lawfully displaced with a broken ankle? Sure, maybe she has an automatic and it was her left ankle but getting two tickets within 4-5 days of each other (unless previously "known to the cops" is a bit statistically improbable.). I suppose it could happen. I've been through hell and back and it sounds unbelievable to people so maybe it's true.

Personally, I cross all the "t"s and dot the "i"s so no cop has a reason to pull me over. Life is simpler that way.