A simple question for supporters of greater firearm-related restrictions

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  1. Xenamnes

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    Setting aside the contentious matter of constitutionality for the sake of the ensuing discussion, the questions that will be presented are rather simple in nature, and should pose no difficulty in answering.

    The united states federal government has proven, time and time again, that it is inherently corrupt, as well as inherently incompetent. If one looks over its established track record of attempting to do anything, one finds accounts of incompetent management, excessive bloat, drastic overreach, questionable necessity of various departments, and an outright inability for various divisions to operate within the confines of their own guidelines. To say nothing of various divisions possessing no actual guidelines pertaining to their operations to begin with.

    With all of these facts in mind, why is it believed that more government regulation of firearms would yield any better results, than government regulation of any other particular field?

    This question is especially pertinent when it pertains to the creation and implementation of new systems that do not exist, and would have to be designed by the ground up by those who would not even be tasked with overseeing the management of what they are proposing, but instead trusting others to do the job.

    Never mind the matter of constitutionality, let us discuss the matter of practicality and capability. The united states federal government can barely function coherently when it is pertaining to an operation that actually enjoys widespread public support. With a matter as contentious as firearms, which is mired by distrust and resistance on all sides, how can it possibly accomplish anything that will amount to substance?

    Boiled down in simplest terms, the question becomes one of why government is trusted to this particular matter right, when it has demonstrated it cannot do anything else right? Why is the government given the benefit of the doubt on this issue, when it has proven it does not know how to do anything except mismanage and screw up?
     
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    Your communicated with all of us on a government funded research tool brought to you with cooperation between Universities and government contractors.
    All that is regulated through government agencies. The electricity that powers your computer is most likely brought to you through government financed power stations.

    Now, I think Americans should have the right to own guns, but your blanket condemnation of all things government sort of leaves out the hundreds of trillions of dollars and commerce and international trade and research and development all brought to you through government agencies.
     
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    Thread win
     
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    The question will never be answered, because those who support gun control are seriously out of step with the majority of thinking Americans and cannot logically provide such an answer.
     
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    How many of those agencies, contractors, and other various sub-components of the united states federal government have not been mired by controversy, and reports from accountability offices pertaining to mismanagement, incompetence, and mysterious diversions of funding that cannot be accounted for?

    Or is it simply a matter of the federal government being so stooped in incompetence, the public has simply accepted such to be part and parcel, and no longer care about their inability to do anything of meaning?
     
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    There are many examples of controversy, mismanagement, incompetence and mysterious diversions of funding that cannot be accounted for throughout govt, no doubt.
    How many private company examples are there of controversy, mismanagement, incompetence, and mysterious diversions of funding that cannot be accounted for?
     
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    The first question is what, if anything, should be done? Once that is answered, and if it's decided something should be done, next is who can do it? If it requires a law, no one but the government can enact, and enforce one. So why should the government be trusted? Because there is no one else who can regulate.

    Personally, at the moment, I don't believe anything can be done. It's up to us as individuals to act in a responsible manner including how and what we say on the matter. However, for many, that appears to be easier said than done.
     
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    I haven't given up yet that we can get reasonable gun control thru congress. At some point it will be inevitable
     
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    Except it is not private companies that are being looked towards as being the solution to a problem.
     
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    The idea that the government is not the agency to handle this problem is hilarious. Should we get Apple to do it? LOL
     
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    Would you prefer a private company? If so, which company?
     
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    Such is not the question being presented for consideration, however. The question being presented is why it is believed government could be trusted to not screw up this particular issue, just as it has every other issue it has asserted authority over?
     
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    You mean the company that deliberately sells planned obsolescence, requires you to use their services and products for repairs on a product you paid for to own, collects and sells private information, allows third-party app partners to collect and sell private info, releases bug infested versions of software with virtually every release that leverages its users to discover flaws, and makes it difficult to replace common parts like batteries and screens. While the government often provides incompetent services, Apple is known to be deliberately deceptive. Then, there is Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc.
     
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    Are they winning the so-called "war on terror" and getting out of the middle east? Or are they being fought to a standstill by enemy combatants who have inferior training, and inferior equipment?

    The best the united states military has to offer is being brought down by pressure cookers and other assorted improvised munitions, being deployed by an enemy that cannot be bombed back to the stone age because they never left the stone age to begin with.
     
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    So you think our military is inferior. Got it.
     
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    Inferior. Screwed up. Mismanaged. Ultimately what is the meaningful difference between all of them?
     
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    Yes, at some point, but not at the moment. Dumb is in.
     
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    Then why can government be trusted on this particular matter?
     
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    Good to know you have little respect for our military. Can’t say I’m surprised at your attitude
     
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    Explain Malik Hasan and his actions. It was apparently known he was communicating with terrorists and had converted to islam, yet nothing was done about him, despite his being a major in the united states military, and a psychiatrist as well.
     
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    The fact that you think this matters says it all.
     
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    It matters in the sense that it is yet another example of the united states federal government being incompetent in how it manages its own affairs, and casting further doubt on the notion that it could properly manage any newly-implemented firearm-related restrictions. Thus making the presented even more prevalent than previously; why is the government trusted to not screw up this particular matter?
     
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    No...it really doesn’t. You’re being hysterical.
     
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    And those who believe government will be able to properly manage newly-implemented firearm-related restrictions, without the standard screw ups and mismanagement that has plagued every other government program, have yet to explain why this level of trust is extended to them seemingly by default.
     

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