The point is these barbaric acts were being carried out for years, and known by a great many people and it wasn't until near the end of the war, that they were discovered. We have seen it time and time again throughout history where governments have conducted similiar operations for years and not have the secrets divulged. 9/11 is a perfect example.
Except I gave you clear evidence it WAS known and you ignored it just like you ignore all the other evidence about 9/11. BTW, we're over a decade now and not a peep from a single soul. How many more years before one of the thousands of people involved come forward and confess their sins?
Is this a serious question really? If 9/11 were an inside job, you're expecting somebody who was NEVER suspected of any wrongdoing to come forth and literally sign their own death warrant, and admit to the very angry mob of American people that they are a traitor and were willingly involved in the murders of 3000 of their innocent countrymen, thereby endangering not only themself, but their family, their house which would likely be burned down, etc. and now face charges for treason, an executable offense, and volunteer their name to go down in history to replace Benedict Arnold as most infamous traitor ever. I wouldn't expect 1 in a MILLION to do this let alone 1 in a thousand. Anyone who took part but didn't get caught KNOWS their only option is to keep their mouth shut and take it to the grave.. And here's you expecting them to practically queue up for their opportunity to admit to treason. What a ridiculous argument you've got.
Totally at odds with how the real world works, where any conspiracy that involves more than 2 people almost always falls apart because someone talks. Thousands of people? It couldn't have gotten off the ground. Half of them would have flat out refused to participate and spilled the beans _before_ they could incriminate themselves, which renders your whole argument invalid.
Plus the logistical challenge. It takes the government years to decide which brand of paperclip to use. They spend decades in deciding what aircraft to buy. And I am expected to believe they can plot this, get the people into place, set up all the demolitions (with nobody noticing), and all in less then 9 months? Oh, wait, there is even more there. Because Mohammed Atta first requested information about Flight Training in Florida in March 2000. And most of the other Hijackers got their passports and visas to enter the US in October 2000. Oh, I got it. President Clinton was in on it too. My favorite example of how nothing can be kept a secret in Washington goes back to the 1970's. Then you had a simple break-in. The perps were caught, and nobody was hurt. Yet the #2 man in the FBI turned over evidence to the press. not to Congress, not to a Special Prosecutor. He turned it over to the press. And people seriously expect us to believe that this kind of conspiracy worked for years, under 2 different Presidential administrations, dozens if not hundreds of individuals. And nobody has spoken out. And there is not a massive trail of dead bodies to point the way? Heck, even President Clinton had what people thought of as a "body trail" that people speculated about, and it was only a couple. This would have been a gigantic trail that would have made the trail behind the Lufthansa Robbery look like peanuts. And even Deputy Fife would have recognized it for what it was.
One would expect someone to have a crisis of conscience, or at the very least be ticked off they weren't paid enough...
Or have left a diary. Or try to brag about what they did. Or get drunk/stoned and talk about it. Or just have a nervous breakdown to confess to a Priest. I doubt you could find more then a handfull of fanatics that could do something like this and keep it quiet. And most of those type of fanatics are not working for the Government. They are the Ted Kaczynski's and Timothy McVeigh's of the world. Paranoid, mostly loners, and who want to bring down the Government. Not help it do what the conspiracy nutcases want us to believe.
Conspiracy theorists themselves make good candidates for this type of secrecy which explains why they are so certain that it is a strong possibility. http://www.alternet.org/story/150730/one_surprising_reason_people_may_believe_ At least among some samples and for some conspiracy theories, the perception that they did it is fueled by the perception that I would do it, University of Kent psychologists Karen Douglas and Robbie Sutton write in the British Journal of Social Psychology. These studies suggest that people who have more lax personal morality may endorse conspiracy theories to a greater extent because they are, on average, more willing to participate in the conspiracies themselves.
I am not surprised, and have had this belief for years. In fact, this is nothing new, clinical psychologists have been writing reports on this for years now. http://thedamienzone.com/2010/12/17...theorists-may-have-underlying-mental-illness/ In my practice, its been pretty much the norm that patients who maintain and/or pursue beliefs in some of the more common conspiracy theories or far-out fringe conspiracy theories, are almost always suffering from mental illness. In a study covering over twenty-two years of patient study in the fields of paranoiac anxiety states and bipolar paranoiac disorders, German-Canadian psychiatrist Leo Gann has raised a few eyebrows with statements like the one printed above. And I love the closure of the article: Of course conspiracy theory groups are already petitioning the governments of the USA and Canada and say that there is an ongoing plot to discredit them. I am not surprised, said Dr. Gann. I knew this would happen, but if I can help five people, I think I can help many many more.
You should reread it again.. I'll give you a hint... This psychiatrist uses his own patients as the sample for his study. His job is to treat people with mental illness. therefore he determined that almost all of his patients who believe in conspiracy theories have a mental illness.
Wow. If you think anyone that goes to a psychologist or psychiatrist has a mental illness, you're seriously misinformed about mental illness. Not that I am surprised.
To play devil's advocate, if there was really a conspiracy and people involved did out it like this, no one would believe them. It would be assumed they had paranoid delusions: Bragging? = they're FOS Stoned/Drunk? = Yeah he said that when he was Stoned/Drunk...so what? Confession? = delusions from nervous breakdown/guilt complex. The only kind of evidence that would be credible at this point is documents, emails, money transfers..and so far what we have all support the official account.
First of all, no one said anything about psychologist, so again stop misrepresenting me.. As for psychiatrists, the treatment of mental illness is THEIR JOB by definition.. Why on Earth ELSE would someone go to the psychiatrist? To get a fractured bone set? Breast enlargement surgury? An MRI scan? A teeth cleaning? Now listen very carefully.. The guy's a psychiatrist. He wanted to know how many people of a partular belief have a mental illness, so he rounded up a few of only HIS patients who have that belief to determine that people with that belief are extremely likely to have a mental illness. Has it clicked yet?
But still, people would talk about it. I mean, heck. Look at all the people that claimed to have participated in atrocities in Iraq. Did Jessie Macbeth have any problems getting people to publicize his "actions"? Heck, there were people lining up to have them speak at their functions and rallys. Then it was proven he was a fake. What about the claims of Jimmy Massey? Also proven to be fake and a lie. Where are the similar fakes this time? In fact, it is somewhat unusual to not have people try to claim credit for crimes they did not do. And I am sure that people have tried to claim credit, but nobody would believe them because they had no credability at all. People like Jessie Macbeth, who was so obviously a fake I am surprised that anybody believed him at all. Personally, I laughed my butt off first time I saw that picture. And was amazed that anybody would believe this clown was ever a soldier. But thousands of people did believe him and the lies he told. But how many have come forward telling similar stories about helping to plot and carry out 9/11? Nobody.
I quoted from him, because he made some rather interesting points. But there are tons of similar reports. http://www.prisonplanet.com/psychol...-conspiracy-thinking-a-psychotic-illness.html I find that article particularly funny, because the website that talks about it is full of conspiracy theories. But this once again is not some new belief. Researchers have been looking into this for years. http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200501/conspiracy-theories-explained Trust me, I have an uncle that is a Conspiracy Theory nut. And he is as mad as a hatter when it comes to such things. He is also Agoraphobic. He never leaves the house, has not worked in years (he was fired from his last 2 jobs, something he insists was a conspiracy against him). He also participates in several internet forums about these conspiracies. He is intelligent, articulate, but also has a few screws loose. My aunt is pretty sure a lot of this is connected to his being a chronic pot user for the last 50 years. Her and I are the only members of the family he has not totally alienated because of his beliefs that the Government, Jews, and Cabals are not all controlling our lives. And I do not care what the conspiracy is, "Left Wing" or "Right Wing". I consider them all to be crazy.
[ It didn't satisfy the claim that. The study made zero determinations about "Paranoid, mostly loners, and who want to bring down the Government", nor determine rates or existence of mental illness or anything else. Clearly the conclusion was just about a particular "moral perception". To be honest I agree with their assessment from Kent.. It makes perfect sense because the person who already does bad maybe doesn't see the actions as bad as they really are so will think others do too.. Kind of like someone who thinks that shoplifting is a victimless crime would have a higher incidence of retail theivery among that group. However, that claim wasn't at all what I was disputing.
I never said it did. But that phrase is what reminded me of the study. And pretty accurately describes what we see here, I would submit. Agreed. Also agreed.
I don't think the penny's dropped yet.. I could try referring them to other articles on the site like the one about Kim Jong Un's penis enlargement, or remind them about the medical experimentation for antiviral properties by administration of tea tree oil mushrooms and cumin, or the part about the IV bag from Belgium etc.
I just took my own advice and checked out that article about Kim Jong Un from that website and I tell you I still can't stop laughing it's a riot this one.. http://thedamienzone.com/2011/12/29/koreas-kim-jong-un-gets-huge-penis-enlargement-operation/
Maybe not. But in this instance there's plenty of actual scholarly work I could point you to that underscore the point that sometimes the best satire is grounded firmly in the middle of the truth. May I suggest: Or
I don't think that particular article is based in any reality whatsoever. No doubt that mental illness has been researched and studied extensively.. And they've made great progress since the 50's and 60's when they understood mental health very little and many mentally healthy people were forcefully institutionalized. I don't dispute the existence of mental illness, or paranoia and delusions as symptoms that mentally ill people can present with. The claims are about 9/11 truthers.. I have yet to see a proper study that backs up any claims about 9/11 truthers having a high rate of mental illness, or being loners or paranoid anti government fanatics or anything like that like these people CLAIM is backed by scientific and/or medical studies.
Do you have any studies that are not just general ones about delusions and paranoia, but make a conclusion specifically about 9/11 truthers that can back up those types of claims I dispute?
