Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Jack Hays, Apr 3, 2023.
That coin has two sides my friend.
America Wants Better Options Than Biden and Trump
Andrew Yang, Newsweek
Nearly three out of five Americans believe a new political party is needed, and younger generations are showing even less of a desire to... Read More
I am a 3rd Party advocate.
Yet when I remember America Elects
and Ross Perot dissolving - - -
There Is A Conspiracy
to maintain the 2 Party system
2 parties, one both the same as the other
$ $ $
How does the volume of Southern California voters
become dominated by old, Bay Area Dynasties?
. VP Harris old skanking grounds
Pete Wilson and Arnold Schwarzenegger being
exceptions. And they paid for it.
YES. Gimmie a 3rd Party, PAH-Leeze
STOP Creeping ism
One side is both the same as the other
Can 'No Labels' Really Swing the Presidential Election?
James Pindell, Boston Globe
Swirling beneath the surface of the 2024 presidential election are questions only those paying close attention have begun to discuss. Namely,... Read More
Could a Third-Party Candidate Actually Damage Biden?
Nicole Narea, Vox
No Labels Is a Threat to Major Parties
Joe Lieberman, Dallas Morning News
For over a decade, the organization I co-founded, No Labels, has stood for bipartisan solutions to our country’s problems and worked to... Read More
Joe Mansion says he won’t run on the “No Labels” tag unless he thinks he can win. I don’t see how he can win if “No Labels” does not get on all or virtually all of the state ballots. They are talking about getting on the ballot in 30 states. That won’t cut it.
". . . This election cycle, seeing the broad discontent with a rematch of President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump, No Labels decided to go to work to get on the ballot in all 50 states for a potential bipartisan unity ticket. This is an “insurance policy” for America, to broaden the choices for voters if that is necessary in 2024. . . . "
No Labels is a threat to major parties. Their attacks prove it.
https://www.dallasnews.com › Opinion › Commentary
4 days ago — ... President Donald Trump, No Labels decided to go to work to get on the ballot in all 50 states for a potential bipartisan unity ticket.
Well, the goal should be making an impact the way Ross Perot did. I couldn’t care less which team gets less votes because of that. Biden? Trump? Two levels of incompetence in competition. Who cares? The incompetence that gets the job only changes whether the people who will think behavior X is perfectly fine, or impeachment worthy.
Rinse, repeat, partisans keep ruining everything amazing about this country.
I do care who wins. When Trump is done, it’s over. He’s got no political legacy that is going to succeed him. I wish we could end Trump’s political career now, but that seems to be an impossible dream.
Biden is senile and incompetent, but he’s the front man for a political legacy of far left, one party control which will end democracy. The people who control Biden will be the people who will control this country.
Ross Perot was a mean spirited little demagogue who had a vendetta against the Bush family. He didn’t want the presidential responsibilities. He just wanted to get the Bushes and bask in the glory of his adoring fans. Fortunately Bill Clinton was a competent replacement for Bush.
Perot didn’t do any permanent damage, but the potential was there to cause a lot of long term problems. The same type of voter who supported Perot are Trump fans today. They are easily led by an egotistical demagogue.
I have to disagree with that. I think the GOP electorate is now far more populist than they were before Trump, and I don't see that changing even if Trump were to drop dead today. I think those changes are permanent.
I don't have a problem with "populism" in general. I have a problem with Trump's overbearing personality. Trump needs to lay off the constant personal attacks, like Ron "Desanctimonious" and talk about the issues matter, like inflation, the border, Biden's lousy foreign policy and his rapidly progressing dementia. Trump has his base. He does not have to keep playing ot them. He needs to expand his base, but his behavior after the 2020 election has poisoned much of that.
You can love him all you want, but keep in mind that he is unelectable. Given how bad Biden is, Trump should be way ahead in the polls for the general election. He's not. Trump is too mean spirited and egotistical to run an effective campaign.
The part of your statement that I disagreed with was what I highlighted, which was "When Trump is done, it’s over. He’s got no political legacy that is going to succeed him." I wasn't concerned about any issues you have about his personality, which were not in your previous comment. All I'm saying is that yes, Trump will leave a large and lasting legacy on the Republican Party. His electability, or lack thereof, is not relevant to the way he has reoriented the GOP, or at least the GOP voter. Obviously Republican elected officials are mostly from a different, and irrelevant era.
Why Is Dick Gephardt Risking His Good Name?
Holly Page, RealClearPolitics
There’s an old saying in politics: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. It means there are consequences to the company you... Read More
Might Biden, Trump Both Not Be Their Party's Nominee?
Douglas Schoen, Messenger
Did you file taxes? If you did, then even you got a tax cut.
Almost all presidential polls this far out are binary. Focusing only on Biden and Trump, only two choices. YouGov has 5 choices which are Biden 40%, Trump 38%, Other or third party 6%, not sure 7%, would not vote if there’s a rematch 10%. Question 23.
If you go back to questions 14 and 15, do you want Biden to run for the presidency, 26% yes, 57% no. Do you want Trump to run for the presidency 30% yes, 58% no. Definitely, most Americans don’t want neither Trump nor Biden to become their next president. Hence, perhaps no labels could make an impact. When it comes to choosing candidates, both major parties are way out of touch with the wants or in this case the don’t wants of most Americans. Neither party gives a cat’s meow about most Americans. Only their base which makes up a bit less than 30% of America each.
But for no labels or any other third party, ballot access is a must, also have a ton of cash available in order to compete. Media attention is also a must. Biden raised and spent 1.624 billion in 2020 vs. Trump’s 1.088 billion. Jo Jorgensen, Libertarian was in third place money wise raising and spending less than 3 million. $2,930,266 to be exact.
2024 will be much more expensive, money and the two major parties rule our elections.
Fair enough. My expectations have sunk so low that my primary interest is in casting a vote that won't embarrass me. Thus, third party will be my choice if the majors serve up Biden and Trump again.
I'm of the same mind
Sure, but how did we get in such a predicament and what is the essence of the conflict?
Perhaps both major parties ignoring America as a whole while only listening, governing for only their base. Gallup puts the base of both parties at Republicans 27%, Democrats 25%, independents at 45% as of 27 July 2023. The two major parties have a monopoly on our electoral system. Republicans and democrats write our election laws and they do so as a mutual protection act. There’s one thing both major parties agree on, that no viable third party will ever rise. Both gave us two disliked and unwanted to be the next president back in 2016 and they going to do the same in 2024.
I’ve seen independents rise as a percentage of the electorate from 30% in 2006 up to the present 45% as both major parties shrink. But both major parties hold as much power over our electoral system as they did in 2006, probably more so. Both have become filled with ideologues, the old political game of give and take, compromise is a thing of the past. As it appears is so likeable and wanted candidates by the masses. It’s our modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship. Our modern primary system which began in 1976 may also play a hand in this.
There’s no one answer, it’s been a cumulative affect of many reasons over time.
But a desirable candidate, be it a Party or a candidate of a Party or someone unattached to a Party, will be able to recognize what is either causing the divide or exploiting the divide but will create a campaign designed to remedy the problem.
The establishment in either current major Party have an interest in promoting themselves to achieve more power. True compromise isn't possible.
Trump is a cowardly punk and a criminal. Biden is senile.
There are some Republicans I could vote for with enthusiasm, but so far none has broken out of the pack.
In plain English, it’s become party over country. Another aspect is all the negative personal attacks run by both parties. Run them enough, the folks running them will come to believe they are true. Which in some cases may be right, but in most, no. The whole idea is the search for votes by making the voter hate the other guy, party more than they hate you or your party. An election campaign on substance, new ideas to solving our problems has gone out the window onto the trash heap of history. It’s become a campaign of your scumbag is worse than my scumbag.
The inevitable is the voters comes to dislike and not want neither major party candidate like in 2016 and again next year, 2024. It doesn’t help that both major parties say up yours to most Americans. Perhaps it also could be most folks aren’t looking for a Democratic or a Republican agenda which just pleases their base, they want an American agenda.
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