Here is a brief film so all of you "time to kill" advocates and view the subject of your brutality. I'll leave the method of death and the agony induced up to your own imaginations./www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBKKnCtNeRU&list=PLD954F6BAB5102AE0&index=20
Why are you suddenly christened with "rights" when you leave the vagina? How does this process work? Most states even liberal ones don't allow late-term abortions which conflicts with your beliefs on born rights. But those babies are still unwanted and adopted kids don't do as well. Why not just require mothers to do the same for unborn babies? Ok, so we can ban abortion then and put them up for adoption. Agreed? So deserving of death is the standard for killing criminals. Why not apply the same standard to abortion? Do unborn babies deserve death? Who is more deserving of death, a pedophile or an unborn baby? In the west populations would actually decline drastically without immigration so if you are worried about population control why not cut immigration first before killing unborn babies?
Because until birth the fetus is connected to, and totally dependent on, the woman it's in. What rights did you wish a fetus have? The right to use another's body to sustain it's life? NO one else has that right. The right to cause unconsented harm to someone? NO one else has that right. The fetus does NOT have rights in those states, it has protections. It is viable at that stage, able to live outside the woman. And late term abortions ARE allowed if it concerns the health/life of the woman or fetus. You asked : ""What about born ones mother's don't want?""" I replied : They can give them up for adoption or drop them at a hospital. Then you stated : ""Why not just require mothers to do the same for unborn babies?"" Because you can't force women to gestate, they are NOT slaves nor cattle.... No woman should be forced to undergo 9 months or pregnancy with all the ensuing pain and physical damage, financial loss, possible job loss, career and educational setbacks just to give someone else a kid.. NOPE, see above. ..and all unwanted children are NOT adopted by all those "warm hearted" Anti-Choicers. . I never said that. Irrelevent. The fetus is not a person and has no rights to violate. Because this is the Abortion Forum not the "I hate Immigrants" Forum.... I am NOT worried about population control in the context of abortion. I am only interested in preserving women's rights.
But her choices led the the pregnancy, and she didn't get an abortion when she had the chance in the early term like most developed countries only allow. It wasn't like the fetus just decided to jump in and take her kidney without her choice, it just developed thanks to her cooperation. If I donate my kidney to you I shouldn't have to right to be able to take it back and let you die without a contract. Even if the right to a woman's body is being violated while the fetus is inside murdering a fetus is a far worse violation than violating right to body. I agree that between the life of the mother and the fetus, they are the same and the mother can choose. But if right to body trumps right to life then shouldn't we allow late-term abortions because they aren't born yet. Are most liberal states and western nations wrong in this respect? You are the radical not me and only a tiny minority of Americans below in allowing abortion in all cases, like only 20% do. But you justified abortion in the name of population control and preventing unwanted children and if that was true then we should also kill unwanted children as well. Also if abortion can be solved by adoption and this is a solution for unwanted children then population control and unwanted children no longer are good arguments for abortion. Why isn't a fetus a person? And if we are trying to kill to control the population why don't we start with criminals before babies? But your OP was all about population control and you talked about the 50 million extra people. The US population will balloon to 400 million thanks to immigration. If this is a problem then why aren't you anti-immigrant?
You watched mine now I watched yours.I believe abortion should be safe and legal to save the life of a mother. I am about saving lives. If a women decides to kill for convenience and has a free lancer actually commit the deed, well, he is a murderer and she is an accomplice. Her misfortune of infection or whatever is no different than a heroin user using a dirty needle and getting aides. That is no reason to make heroin safe and legal. You might find my post to be cold, but it is about the "hard side of love". I value life. Having it destroyed for convenience is a reflection of a narcissistic society. You can call my views "sexist and controlling", but from the viewpoint that half of those children that become "medical waste" are female and deserving of a chance to make their own choices, that is not the case. There are countless survivors whose mothers came to the brink of abortion, changed their minds, and now these children are so ever grateful.
It most certainly IS different, and attempting a comparison between abortion and drug use is ignorant and insulting. It is very clear that you have no compassion, limited intellectual prowess, and do not grasp biology or humanity. Have A Nice Day
It does insult the drug user because....he/she hasn't killed anybody P.S. you had to snip my post so it would not be reposted in it's entire context I see. In light of your personal insults....that was a very spineless thing for you to do.
Reflex action is not indicative of pain being felt. http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201429
NONE of which has anything to do with the words of mine you were addressing: """Because until birth the fetus is connected to, and totally dependent on, the woman it's in. What rights did you wish a fetus have? The right to use another's body to sustain it's life? NO one else has that right. The right to cause unconsented harm to someone? NO one else has that right."""" You don't, obviously, have to address those words and questions but did you even ask YOURSELF those questions..???? I have no idea what woman you are talking about , the one you claim ""she didn't get an abortion when she had the chance"" My gawd, you're all over the place... YOU have the wrong end of the stick. NO one can FORCE you to give them your kidney in the first place just as no woman has to use her body to sustain the life of another. A fetus can't be" murdered" through abortion since abortion is the legal killing of the fetus. If YOUR body was being violated don't you want to preserve your right to self defense? Why do you want to take that right away from women??? . They aren't the same but it's still the woman who chooses. That isn't logical. If you want unrestricted late term abortion you'll really have a fight on your hands. Have you looked up the word V I A B L E yet??? As I said, and you ignored, fetuses do NOT have rights but they do have protections... There is NOTHING radical about fighting to preserve American's rights... . So? That's where your fight will come in if you want unrestricted late term abortions. And the majority of Americans want abortion to remain legal, even if they wouldn't have one themselves. NO I DID NOT. There is no logic in that at all. WHO are you addressing? I NEVER said population control and/or unwanted children are arguments for abortion.... You should really learn to read better because it looks like you LIE a lot about what I posted. Because it hasn't been BORN yet, it is still part of the woman. Well "we" aren't "trying to kill to control the population" so you'll have to find somebody who actually posted that. MY OP ? What? OMG.....[/QUOTE]
I have seen bloody surgeries....blood and guts don't bother me but fake films bent on taking away women's rights by frightened people makes me want to puke
Never heard of Hollywood special effects? They create fake scenarios for videos all day and every day without any problems. So no, it is actually quite easy to fake.
Any special effects technician could easily use that as a source to create the fake videos that you are gullible enough to believe without question.
The Law of the Land only grants individual rights to persons who are "naturally born". You can find that terminology in the Constitution. Roe v Wade is part of the Law of the Land and in that landmark ruling the SCOTUS set the legal standard for VIABILITY as the 3rd trimester. The ruling granted states the right to regulate/ban abortions at that stage with the EXCEPTION that a late term abortion is still the right of the woman concerned if her health and/or life is in jeopardy because of the pregnancy.
You are entitled to your opinion but you have no right to impose your opinion on other people who don't share your opinion.
No, you appear to be about controlling women....because you sure don't care about their lives...and that's OK, they don't need your approval Could you explain what "kill for convenience" means..?? Nope, abortion is legal ...and if it wasn't they'd be charged and tried equally and all those grandmothers, mothers, wives, sisters, girlfriends would be torn from their children and families and thrown in prison for life and you "Life Lovers" could celebrate ... No, you do not value women's lives if you insist they are cattle that must be forced to breed....or think if "infection or whatever" kills the woman it's OK... There ya go with that "convenience" thing.... why do you think women don't want to be pregnant ? IT IS INCONVENIENT ....there is NO other reason. If a woman would die giving birth then the pregnancy is INCON-DAMN-VENIENT. If it will disrupt her life then it is INCONVENIENT. If someone is beating you to death and you fight back and kill them it's because they were bloody damn INCONVENIENT. . Yes, of course they're sexist ( which is as bad as racist) when you wish to take away the rights of women....and yes they are an attempt at controlling...and there is something wrong with someone who needs so desperately to control others especially when the issue does not affect them at all. . Ya right, you're not sexist because half the fetuses aborted are female ? ! . That's quite dramatic what with the "came to the brink" and all but what that has to do with women's right to their own bodies is a mystery. Gee, I bet those grateful female children are grateful they still have rights
I force women to breed? How do you come to that conclusion? As far as I know, you breed like rabbits. Women do have rights over their own bodies. That is why many of us speak up for those alive yet unborn. You seem to favor their butchery.
LOL, how does one "oppose" their opinion on another ? The poster you are referring to states his opinion backed with facts....but he does not try to IMpose his opinion on anyone.. That would be Anti-Choice people like you.
