A very simple and easy to understand explanation of why climate change is REAL.

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    If you are susceptible to anti-scientific scaremongering.
    The moment you start quoting prophecy from the Bible or Qu'ran, you lose.
     
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    Wrong.
    Flat false. They impede long-wave radiative heat transfer throughout the atmosphere, both upward and downward. This is important, as we will see below.
    Wrong again. The physical process that causes this phenomenon is called, "condensation." Water vapor is a far more important greenhouse gas than CO2, because there is nearly two orders of magnitude more water vapor in the air than CO2 and its high concentration broadens its long-wave absorption spectrum to cover almost all of CO2's absorption spectrum. At temperatures above 0C -- i.e., in the troposphere and everywhere on the earth's surface except at high to mid-latitudes in winter and high altitudes -- there is so much water vapor in the air that additional CO2 has very little effect on temperature. But at temperatures well below 0C, water vapor condenses out of the atmosphere almost entirely, leaving it very dry. So the increase in CO2 from burning fossil fuels only has a measurable effect on temperature where the air is very dry: winter in high-to mid-latitude areas of the earth's surface where daytime temperature does not get near 0C for months at a time, and at high altitude (the upper troposphere and stratosphere) where temperature is always far below 0C). Temperature declines with altitude in the troposphere (the "adiabatic lapse rate"), reaching its minimum of about -50C at the tropopause, where the stratosphere begins. So increased CO2 cools the stratosphere because of its insulating effect in the upper troposphere, not at the surface. That insulating effect also means that the upper troposphere warming by increased CO2 cannot propagate back down to the surface: as soon as long-wave radiation gets low enough to encounter significant concentrations of water vapor, it is blocked. So the purported "smoking guns" of the anti-fossil-fuel scare campaign -- winter warming at high latitude, upper troposphere warming, and cooling in the stratosphere -- therefore actually confirm that CO2 has little effect on global average surface temperature.
     
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    You have the right facts. However, it doesn't prove that the amount of carbon dioxide we release is enough to cause the sky to fall.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to California scientists, higher taxes reflect the suns rays.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the lesson. What's the next lesson? Water makes stuff WET? We understand global warming just fine (the more CO2 emissions, the more heat, we get it, it ain't rocket science) , what is not understood is why the left constantly complains about it but never offers solutions?
    Are you ready to give up your car for a horse and carriage? I'll do it if you do! Half of these lefties crying about the environment don't even recycle!
     
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    Personally selecting one place on Earth and declaring it a proxy for the planet is ANTI-SCIENCE.

    It is a PURELY political move that must be immediately rejected.
     
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    Wow - you just haven't even been listening if you think there aren't a raft of suggestions.

    The thing with problems of this scale is tht they aren't susceptible to ONE solution. It's more that numerous solutions have to be followed.

    Today, clean energy is making up for the decline in fossil fuel based electric power generation - because it is economic.

    Today, in most of the USA oe can produce ones home use of power by solar pannels istalled on roofs. In fact, there are companies that will supply the parts and installation if you'll let them share the cost benefit.

    Today a growing number of states are stating dates by which personal cars sold must be electric.

    Today, CA has used its economic weight to force fuel changes that have greater efficiency as measured by miles per ton of CO2.

    Today, the Paris accords have caused nations to choose their own methods of reducing greenhouse gas on a voluntary basis - a model of organization of a world wide approach that doesn't even impact sovereignty.

    Today, we're seeing coal dying as a method of creating electric power - an important improvement in the greenhouse gas picture.

    The list goes on and on.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That looks like real science to me.

    As this is also real science.

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So called clean energy is supplying a tiny part of energy.

    13% is all.

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Solar and Wind generate electricity only 10 to 30 percent of the time. Is that good enough?

    Here is a true believer... Good for all of us to watch.

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is one solution to energy......

    Nuclear

    The Democrats hate it

    It works
    It is cheap
    Waste can be taken to existing waste sites
     
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    Uh huh, yeah, says the guy claiming that his opposition denies the existence if climate. If you want a serious discussion try being serious yourself. First your opening soliloquy completely fails to note any of a dozen other possibilities that could cause warming acting either individually or in combination with other things. It also fails take notice of the fact that warming has always been better than cooling and the ice ages have begun when CO2 was nearly four times higher than it is now. Now get back to me when you know the correct answer to the following questions: 1. What us the perfect amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. 2.Define a specific climate zone for instance steppe without using meteorological data. 3. What is a microclimate and what causes it. How many climatological regions are their in the US? Using Google is cheating...
     
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    Well, that's a non-fossil solution, but AFAIAC, fossil fuels work just fine. I look forward to a world of shrinking deserts, lush vegetation, and sky-high bioproductivity supported by 1000ppm of CO2.
     

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