Abilene teenager dies after accidentally shooting himself in head while playing with gun

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  1. FatBack

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    I left it loaded for a month, one time (I had my good reasons)
    It was fine (was stored in AC) The Cardinal sin is putting it away dirty. I bet the Pioneers left theirs loaded for decent lengths of time. The fouling is very much a rust inducer.
     
  2. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Training does work if done properly. I have seen several of the studies that conclude trading doesn’t work, and few people know enough to question the methodology, accepting the conclusions. Spitting down with a child and explaining the ‘don’t touch, tell an adult’ mantra or sharing a video explaining the same, then expecting a child to follow the instructions is a doomed proposition to begin with as anyone with children will tell you. How many times do you think yelling at a child about looking both ways when running into a street will it take? Teaching children anything is a long term, continuous, process of reinforcement.
    My trading with guns started almost as soon as I could walk, and reinforced continuously for years (hell, I got a lecture if my toy gun’s muzzle swept anyone). I was often along with my da or my uncle when hunting and they continually reinforced and were exemplary role models. Even after, being given the privilege of hunting on my own at age 8, the training never ceased. If I was observed violated any safety protocol, no matter how small the violation, my privileges were suspended until, i did my penitence and earned back trust. I used the same approach with my girls... they were better at complying than I was.
    With my da, I knew where the guns were...a closet, but never risked losing the trust & privileges I had earned by handing them without approval. I had other methods of training applied that drilled gun safety into my DNA.
    With my girls, I kept my guns in a safe, but that wasn’t to keep them away from them but theft (I had valuable collection); by age 10-11 they had the combination to the safe and could safe check any gun I owned. By the age 13, they had their own Anshultz .22 and were better shots than me. When they wanted to shoot, they would tell me, retrieve their guns, and head outback to shoot, often competing with each other in one of their match setups (aspirin at 25yrds with iron sights (I couldn’t see them)) and even aspirin swinging in the wind, hanging from thread glued to them).
    Training doesn’t work? BS, it takes time, often years, and is continuous. Problem is many parents don’t have the knowledge or inclination which is probably apparent in other areas. Hell, most parents don’t teach children how to properly handle kitchen knives.
     
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    Most parents don't teach their children anything, that's what they send to school for, their lives are too busy they don't have time for their children.
     
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    The aspect of training is almost irrelevant in such a case. When you put a gun to your own head, you have a deeper problem.
    Training is of course critical to safety when operating anything that can do harm.
    Most of the time, it's failure to use basic common sense- and it's pretty well accepted that you can't fix stupid.
    Look at the example here- This fool looks down the barrel of his mis-fired shotgun to see if the load is coming out.

    He kind of won the lottery in this case.....

     
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    You speculated that he wasn't properly trained ... depends on his intentions now, doesn't it.
     
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    Not at all, he was clearly a DB.
     
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    Nothing here changes the fact you engaged in unsupportable - and thus meaningless - speculation.
     
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    The more that do die as a result of their own stupidity, the more resources that will be available to provide assistance to those that are in genuine need.
     
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    In the end, Dawrin wins.
     
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    About 85% of Americans would disagree -- Humans are G-d's Creation.
     
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    Darwinism is not just sinful -- it is Evil. This ideology does not value Human Life.

    I am not righteous. I am disabled -- thus I can see the danger presented by judging people on their "productivity".
     
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    Nature is evil.
    That's funny.
     
  14. CCitizen

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    No!

    According to Rambam, Nature contains Evil. But good is more prevalent.

    Evil is more visible.
     
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    Darwin = nature
    You believe nature is evil.
    That's funny.
     
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    Darwin is not nature.

    I am not righteous.

    I am scared of Atheism for what it implies about people with Disability like myself.
     
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    You are wearing out your disability card, you play it way too often.
     
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    And the world holds finite resources for an ever-growing population. It is mathematically and physically impossible to help absolutely everyone that is in need. Therefore certain sacrifices have to be made. Such is the nature of reality.
     
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    Such is ultimately the nature of the real world.

    Such does not serve to change the facts in evidence, however.
     
  20. CCitizen

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    It's not a card. Being an Aspie is part of me.
     
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    Given modern technology, resources are virtually unlimited. In USA 2020, an average person consumes about 100 times more then bare minimum.
     
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    Human life is sacred. Humans are not animals.
     
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    Many humans are animals and deserve to be put to death.
     
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    None of which changes the fact that resources are finite, and it is impossible to help absolutely everyone in need. To believe otherwise is nothing more than foolishness.

    In fact humans are worse than animals. Humans are the only species that have demonstrated an all-consuming fixation with killing itself off in the greatest numbers possible. It does not even kill itself out of necessity, yet it goes out of its way to find specific subsets of itself to kill for whatever reason it can justify.

    The species that created nuclear weapons, simply because conventional munitions were not lethal enough, does not deserve to be saved from itself. Either with those that are disabled, or those that are not disabled. The entire species deserves nothing more than to be wiped from existence.
     
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    "Darwin" is natural selection.
    Natural selection is... nature.
    You believe Darwin - and thus, nature - is evil.
    Funny.
     
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