Abortion and poverty

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Bowerbird, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Repeatedly claiming another poster said something they didn't and badgering them , especially when you have no proof, is harassment and not tolerated here.


    I REPEAT FOR THE LAST TIME :

    I did not say : """ that men are equally responsible (for what happens to her body - whatever that might be - sex, abortions, or otherwise"""" as YOU contend I did..
     
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    You might BE using contraceptives but they are not 100% effective

    So again why don't men also use contraception?

    If we truly want to prevent unwanted pregnancy there is an easy option.

    Sterilise all men

    Allow them to make sperm donations,first but then sterilise them. That way women only get pregnant when they want to
     
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    I said nothing about 'control'. That's a very simplistic interpretation of good parenting.

    And I said nothing about 'perfection', either. All of us are flawed, in some way. But well raised people are at least responsible and productive, and don't become drunks/drug addicts/criminals. They might be dull, or annoying, or possess any one of a million personality 'idiosyncrasies', but they will have good character. And no, parenting is not about shaping personalities .. that's just weird and inappropriate, and misses the point of parental responsibility entirely.
     
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    Consent to ONE act (sex) is not consent to any other act.

    That's just a fact.

    If a person consents to let someone into their home that is NOT consent to do anything else ..like rob them or beat them up.
     
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    Yes, don't have unprotected sex when you're not in a position to raise a child.
     
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    Now if you think that parents are responsible if their kid robs a bank, call the cops and see if you can have them arrested...:)
     
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    Too bad! People are free to have sex anyway they choose....NO one is obligated to use BC....
     
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    When she decides to engage in unprotected sex, because she was not raped, it's all her decision - because she was not raped. But if consequences occur from that act, it's suddenly not entirely her decision to have engaged in the sex?

    More importantly, this isn't about 'consent' in the sense you've torqued it to, it's about whether or not a woman has sole decision making power over what happens to her body. Two very different things.
     
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    Wow ... just wow.
     
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    Didn't you realise tha? Did you think there was a group called "sex police"?
     
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    If I were the King of the World, I would indeed arrest parents for crimes committed by people up to age 21. In fact up to age 14, I'd make it exclusively the responsibility of parents, and adjust the apportioning of punishment gradually towards the perp, the older they get.
     
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    You're normally much better than this. What happened to you?
     
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    But you are not

    And I have yet to see one viable suggestion from you about how to reduce the abortion rate
     
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    I've said it a dozen times in this thread alone. If you can't raise a child (properly), don't do things which produce children.

    Do you need me to explain how to avoid being killed by trucks as a result of lying down on the freeway?
     
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    That is an opinion not an action plan

    What are you going to DO which will reduce abortion
     
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    I did not take part in activities which produced children I couldn't raise. That's 'action', and it's one woman at a time.
     
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    No, and I never said that. It was entirely her decision to CONSENT to sex. She consented to nothing else.


    They are two different things but are related.
     
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    I asked if you knew what "adult" meant. Guess not??

    We were talking about ADULT children and their parents….now you're changing it to NON adults.....those under 21....

    Why are you doing that?
     
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    I changed NOTHING. I'm telling you what legislation I'd like to see implemented.
     
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    Well, that'll lower your abortion rate.....now what do you plan to do to lower the abortion rate of others?
     
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    If I lie down on the freeway, am I consenting to being killed by a vehicle? Or am I consenting simply to lying down? It can only be the latter if I LITERALLY don't know that vehicles use freeways.
     
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    YES, you did , we were discussing ADULT children of parents and you changed it to under 21...


    FoxHastings said:
    Not after they're adults."""""



    Response by crank:
    Wanna bet?


    crank, Today at 6:01 PM Report
     
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    Why do you want to control what women do with their bodies? Aren't you male?

    If you guys could just figure out whether or not you want women to have FULL AUTONOMY and DECISION MAKING POWERS (to NOT do things which make babies they don't want, for example), this thread will be a lot less circular.
     
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    No, I merely said that I would continue to punish parents legally right up until their children are age 21. MORALLY (a completely different issue), the parents are eternally guilty.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Well, that'll lower your abortion rate.....now what do you plan to do to lower the abortion rate of others?




    What has that got to do with the question I asked in the post you just quoted?
     
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