FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, here's the part you conveniently ignored : IF a fetus has all the rights of a born person then don't you think it should have all the same RESTRICTIONS all born persons have? WHY NOT?!! Why do you want it to have MORE rights than anyone else? More laughs....NO "Pro-Lifer "" has EVER replied to, or been able to answer that...they have all "gone away" when pressed....
Dodging the question above I see. LOL Why isn't a newborn held to the same standards as a young adult?
Dodging? This is the first time you asked me that question! LOL....such desperation to get away from answering or addressing: FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, here's the part you conveniently ignored : IF a fetus has all the rights of a born person then don't you think it should have all the same RESTRICTIONS all born persons have? WHY NOT?!! Why do you want it to have MORE rights than anyone else? More laughs....NO "Pro-Lifer "" has EVER replied to, or been able to answer that...they have all "gone away" when pressed.... Gee, I thought you said bye-bye
Yes, it is getting silly. All you can site are rare mitigating factors, but the preponderance of abortions are planned (premeditated) and for no better reason the pregnancy was not convenient or financial reasons . You don't seem to be able to face the repercussions of your "ethical" stance or you are just trolling to get a little attention.
A foetus / Zef is a POTENTIAL human being becoming an actual one at birth. Thus an abortion is not homicide.
A common misconception, but a misconception just the same. Once conception has occurred the entity is created and is a human being. This is likely why the federal law the Unborn Victims of Violence Act applied to " children in utero at any stage of development".
IF a fetus has all the rights of a born person then don't you think it should have all the same RESTRICTIONS all born persons have? WHY NOT?!! Why do you want it to have MORE rights than anyone else? """" likely why the federal law the Unborn Victims of Violence Act applied to " children in utero at any stage of development". LOL, "likely" doesn't cut it....still no proof that the UVVA gives fetuses the rights of born people...
Who were you aiming that emotional tantrum at? I oppose abortion unless there is a serious threat of harm to the mother. You seem lost.
FoxHastings said: ↑ IF a fetus has all the rights of a born person then don't you think it should have all the same RESTRICTIONS all born persons have? WHY NOT?!! Why do you want it to have MORE rights than anyone else? """" likely why the federal law the Unborn Victims of Violence Act applied to " children in utero at any stage of development". LOL, "likely" doesn't cut it....still no proof that the UVVA gives fetuses the rights of born people... No, not that anyone could see.....I have never seen any proof that a fetus is a legal person....You saying you gave proof is NOT proof... AND IF they are then why can't you answer my questions?
Once again you are incorrect. Even if you were, it is not sufficient to justify a wanton homicide (abortion).
I AM correct, your opinion doesn't count. It doesn't need to be "sufficient" to justify a homicide, abortion is legal IF a fetus was deemed a legal human being , person, then the woman would have every right to kill it since it is causing her harm without her consent... Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy: exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks) altered appetite and senses of taste and smell nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester) heartburn and indigestion constipation weight gain dizziness and light-headedness bloating, swelling, fluid retention hemmorhoids abdominal cramps yeast infections congested, bloody nose acne and mild skin disorders skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen) mild to severe backache and strain increased headaches difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping increased urination and incontinence bleeding gums pica breast pain and discharge swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases) extreme pain on delivery hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover) Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy: stretch marks (worse in younger women) loose skin permanent weight gain or redistribution abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh) changes to breasts increased foot size varicose veins scarring from episiotomy or c-section other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty) increased proclivity for hemmorhoids loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis) higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates) Occasional complications and side effects: complications of episiotomy spousal/partner abuse hyperemesis gravidarum temporary and permanent injury to back severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies) dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele) pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies) eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death) gestational diabetes placenta previa anemia (which can be life-threatening) thrombocytopenic purpura severe cramping embolism (blood clots) medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby) diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication) serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis) hormonal imbalance ectopic pregnancy (risk of death) broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone") hemorrhage and numerous other complications of delivery refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures) severe post-partum depression and psychosis research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease Less common (but serious) complications: peripartum cardiomyopathy cardiopulmonary arrest magnesium toxicity severe hypoxemia/acidosis massive embolism increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer) malignant arrhythmia circulatory collapse placental abruption obstetric fistula More permanent side effects: future infertility permanent disability death.
Emotional tantrum? We'll just add that to the list of your bizarre assumptions. You seem to be the one ethically lost. Is the woman that aborted a fetus because she was working on her phd the same as a woman who murdered her preschooler because she had to work on her phd? Should their penalties be the same?
A straight answer. One you couldn't dodge. So, both women deserve, at least, 25 to life prison sentences is what you are saying. You are saying a fetus has as much right to live as you or I, correct? A rare opinion even among anti-abortion people. If circumstances arise where only the fetus or the woman can survive what should be done? Oh, you asked me why they are not the same. I think, like most people, a woman's right to say what happens to her body outweighs the fetus' right to life up until viability. See, I can clearly answer your questions.
I see you are still trying to claim defacto that all abortion is homicide - despite the fact that you have been shown the error of your perspective - numerous times in different ways. Consider this - When do you think the soul enters the fleshy vessel ? Where do you think this soul came from .. and what do you think will happen to his soul after death ? Once you have answered the above .. all will be resolved for you.
So you have no issues with forcing a woman — by the government — to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term for a minimum of 9 months, sacrificing her career, finances and health (and possibly her relationships) because you believe a bundle of unformed cells have more rights than her? What is your stance on mask mandates? Since you believe it is murder, do you think we should execute women that have abortions or just imprison them for life?
did anyone force her to create the child in utero? if not, then what I am actually saying is that I want her prohibited from slaughtering the child she created through her own voluntary action! if someone intentionally kills a person just because that person became inconvenient to her, what punishment would you suggest?
abortion is undeniably a homicide. All the screetching you have done offers no proof to the contrary!
Totally irrelevant... Uh, so if she was raped you think it's then OK to "slaughter" the "child" ????? If somone kills a person because they are causing them harm (self defense) , what punishment would you suggest ?
I noticed you didn’t answer a single question I asked. If you were secure in your position It wouldn’t prove to be such a challenge. To answer your question — even though you were unable to extend me the same curtesy: In most cases of unwanted pregnancy there is no force in becoming pregnant but your position is to levy a penalty forced by the state. A zygote cannot be slaughtered. I believe premeditated murder — which abortion is not — should receive the death penalty except in very few circumstances. I would also say a pregnancy that is forced against the will of the woman is much more than an “inconvenience”. Now feel free to reach in an find the integrity to answer my original questions.
You have never been able to substantiate your claim that a single human cell is a human - so you have no business pretending you have proven this .. when you have not. It is fallacy to suggest that some screeching on my part will changes this fact in any way. Something also pointed out to you numerous times - yet you return to the same pile of fallacious vomit - over and over. This however is not the question being asked - a question which you have deftly avoided. When does the soul arrive - and if a soul has not entered yet into the fleshy vessel - is that vessel a Person ?
