abortion, rape, and guns.

What do you suggest in regard to drinking and driving?

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

Yep. That's what I'm talking about.

 

Nope. You were corrected

 

Obviously I had that to begin with, so thanks for the weaselly evasion.

 

You’ve done nothing but say I’m wrong. You’ve provided no evidence whatsoever in defense of your position. I corrected you on the slavery issue. You have only contradicted. That’s fine. If that’s all you’ve got it’s all you’ve got.

 

Sounds like you gave yourself the wrong answer and want someone else to argue you out of it. No thanks.

 

So......nothing. Just another old person complaining on the internet.

Okay.

 

No, it does not sound like that - not to me, and not to you either.

I made it perfectly plain what I wanted from the gitgo, but obviously you haven't got stones enough to defend your preposterous contention straight up.

 

Loss of license first offense for being caught without causing harm. I’d have some process for reinstatement but I don’t know what. It wouldn’t be easy. Pre meditated murder charge if someone is killed. Attempted murder charge if someone is injured. Maybe assault with deadly weapon, too. If we want to stop it why mess around?

And yes, drunks with guns I’d treat the same. But we’re pretty much already there with gun laws.

Haven’t put a lot of thought into it because it’s all academic, it won’t ever happen, but that’s it off the top of my head. If you can improve upon it I welcome you to do so. I like good ideas.

Oh, and for rapists since that’s a topic of this thread as well, I suggest this.

 

Not complaining... observing complaint that is misdirected or lacks substance; or poses as rational thought.
Junk values and reasoning are taking over lots of people- to the detriment of all.

 

Would that be the contention that you try putting yourself in the shoes of those you would decide for by asking yourself who should get to make your decisions for you?

If that is what you refer to- there is nothing to defend. Fundamental human value any thinking person understands as rational.

 

Nope. I clearly laid out why you were wrong, and gave you the legal reasons why.

 

This is the stuff of alternative universe. You gave laws and amendments to back up a claim slavery doesn’t exist. I showed you were wrong. It does. You have given no scientific evidence babies/children of mammals are not dependent on mothers after birth or that sexual pleasure is a product of evolution.

 

No, I said slavery is not legal, and proved that. I showed that your claim of percentages of slavery were demonstrably false.

After birth, the child is no longer dependent on the body of its mother for life. This is a biological fact.

 

There are slaves in the US. Being illegal does not stop things. We are enslaved by government even though it is illegal for us to keep slaves. I am not allowed to insider trade either, but government can.

Like I said. If you are going to hold that belief it isn’t dependent on the mother from conception on either. That’s an equivalent biological fact. You can’t claim dependence in one instance and not the other if we are allowed to interfere with nature.

 

No, there is no such thing as legal slavery in the US. That people break the law doesn’t change this.

I don’t know where you keep getting lost. The fetus is entirely dependent upon the body of the mother it is gestating in. Once born, this is no longer the case.

 

Well I guess I will start with your hipocracy... you talk about an embryo as the “most innocent and precious thing” but yet it would be OK to “kill” this precious and innocent life because the mother was raped. So would it be OK to kill a toddler of a rapist? If you believe it innocent no matter what and once you make exceptions all you are doing is showing you want to control women’s reproductive freedom
I’m not selling this event women caring a gun that will prevent rape is totally illogical. Do you really believe that a woman will walk around with a finger on the trigger of a gun all the time? Do you think that a rapist doesn’t use the element of surprise? That’s almost as dumb as teachers having guns in the classroom

 

No kidding.

From Trump on down.

 

No, that would be this contention,

to which a counterargument was presented here,

to which your response has been nothing but diversionary drivel.

You're welcome.

 

Alright. The government is breaking the law.

I’m not lost. And you are making progress. You’ve admitted the embryo is not necessarily dependent on the entity that conceived it.

This leads to another question. If justification for abortion is in part or in whole predicated on the idea a women didn’t consent to pregnancy along with sex, what do we do with a woman who intended pregnancy and aborts? Does intent matter both ways?

 

Well said

 

You seem to be an expert on drivel.

"If one believes in freedom, and is not controlled by the dictates of a religion over their own common sense, pro-choice is the only rational thing."

FREEDOM means you control your own life, and are responsible for your own decisions, including the consequences of those decisions. I know that is a difficult concept for you, but think on it awhile.

IF you believe you are responsible for yourself, that you are entitled to freedom, then others ARE NOT entitled to make your decisions.
IF you are unable to act on your own outside the dictates of your religion- then you are not able to make your own decisions in certain areas; thus your freedom is partially controlled by dictates of others.
IF you give other human beings the same power over their life that you want for yourself over yours (assuming you think you are entitled to freedom and have the backbone to grant that to yourself)
then you cannot dictate to others- you must allow them to make their own choices.

Freedom of Choice. That is neither pro or con- it's the observation that when you are not the person who must live with the consequences- IT'S NOT YOUR CHOICE, BUT THEIRS.
That's what "pro-choice" as a policy means.

The fact you don't want others to make choices you don't agree with because you believe you are right can open one hell of a lot of doors to one hell of a lot of ugly things. It will give others power over you; very abusive power. Pro-life obviously does not stop abortion- it simply drives it back underground where it was before Roe/Wade. Therefore, it achieves nothing good.

It just makes arrogant people feel righteous, but that is certainly a bad thing.

All over your head???

 

They are not.

No, you are definitely still confused.

No intent doesn’t matter. The mother has the right to terminate the fetus if she wishes, because nobody has the right to use another’s body for sustenance .