Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. Iron_Merc

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    Regardless of what you might think, there is the very real possibility that late term abortions have lead to abortionists killing babies AFTER BIRTH!

    Killing a baby before the age of one is called infanticide. It is now legal to perform late term abortions in New York State, where I reside. This is why I am interested in the subject at hand.

    Question (in the likeness of Dwight Schrute):
    What is to stop the abortionist, who can now kill the child up to the moment of birth, from executing the newborn baby after its been born?

    I have learned of the troubling facts behind this barbaric act. One possible scenario has to do with procurement of internal organs by Planned Parenthood. in order to have "fresh internal organs" they keep the baby alive until dismemberment and subsequent organ harvesting. They then sell these body parts for a profit.

    And lets be clear, murder is:
    The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

    There are no excuses the abortionist enthusiasts can make up, since the baby isn't a "fetus" anymore.

    I will give you my impression of abortion right out of the gate: I am totally against any and all forms of abortion and that includes some contraceptives (a small percentage) as well. I am still baffled as to this day why the court ruled in favor of Roe v Wade, considering the massive and far reaching negative impact abortion has had on society since 1973. I believe abortion is murder (regardless of the law) because the institution of abortion stands in direct contradiction to the principles or basic tenants of the Declaration of Independence. The well know phrase "Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" - Indicating life is a God given right and that can NEVER be infringed upon. Because if these are God given rights, no human court has the authority to deny these inalienable rights.

    Furthermore,
    inalienable is defined as: unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor

    By the liberals actions of fostering and approving of abortion, they are standing in direct contradiction to the very premise of our nation and its founding principles. Therefore, every abortion violates the DoI in respect that they are killing a life and going against God's will. This is why abortion is a moral issue and should be dealt with as such.
     
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    Feeling as strongly as you do, you must NEVER have an abortion.
     
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    First I find it so interesting that you say killing all life is going against God’s will when so many people have killed in the name of God. Seems people like you use God’s name incorrectly and pick and choose from the Bible
    You talk about abortions right up to the moment of birth even though you never heard of anyone having that procedure unless someone’s life was threatened. My friend had to make that horrible decision and have a late term abortion . Her fetus had his brain outside of its skull and would have died. ...But after all you obviously know what’s right for her. You can call abortion murder all you want because it is an emotional trigger but a ZEF is not a child
    And your misinformation about planned parenthood shows how you don’t bother to educate yourself.
     
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    60,000,000 babies murdered, of course Im not getting an abortion.

    Did I mention extreme risks are involved for the mothers going through with an abortion? It's also been found out that abortion can complicate a future pregnancy as well.
     
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    1. where did you get that number?
    2. A foetus is not a baby
    3. No abortion, especially first trimester abortion has a lower morbidity than pregnancy and birth
    4. Abortion does not “complicate” a future pregnancy
    5. Unsourced opinions will get you unsourced rebuttals
     
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    And you probably would be the first person to complain about them being on welfare. I love when men explain things like abortion to us. There are not extreme risks in abortion nothing compared to childbirth. Abortion is a relatively simple procedure but childbirth is not. And it is also bullshit that an abortion complicate a future pregnancy. I guess they can also cause canker sores and toe funguses LOL
     
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    A baby is born with anencephaly

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    Would you keep it alive indefinitely or give it palliative care and let it pass with love and kindness?
     
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    It also cause hair to fall out and the curtains to fade lols!
     
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    No complications to future pregnancies she says. You need to watch this video. Especially from 5:00 minute mark on. I guess the doctor is lying about the complications to future pregnancies as well?



    Right, so you'd prefer the person to be DEAD rather than alive? How does that make sense, it's not your right to deprive someone of their future? I guess you'd prefer Oprah to be dead than as well? Seeing as how she came from nothing.

    Point is we have no right to choice because there is a distinct and separate human being that has unique DNA. If we use DNA in crimes all over the United States to identify individual suspects why dont we use it to defend the life of the unborn baby? Thats a rational, not moral argument.

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    I got the number for Wikipedia. And that is likely a low estimate seeing as how abortions dont have to be reported.

    As we can see from the video, abortion may indeed complicate future pregnancy. And you have to remember, this is violent act, to remove the baby from the uterus. Damage can easily occur to the cervex and uterus. Abortion related trauma is very real, it's just not talked about because that would expose them for the death cult that they are.

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    I prefer to get my information from a less biased source than someone who is making money off of being a “reformed” abortionist

    https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/abortion-procedures-surgical

    https://americanpregnancy.org/unplanned-pregnancy/abortion-procedures/
     
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    Trump is pro abortion

    He is just trolling you lot to get support

    And he is even MORE ignorant about the topic than the average anti-abortionist on this forum..............and THAT is saying something

    And as I have said, I prefer to get my information from places other than videos

    Give me a research paper citing statistics please
     
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    Wrong. This September planned parenthood admitted to selling body parts.

    Watch this unbiased abortion procedure and let me know what you think. I personally find the procedure to be totally invasive and almost looks like torture at some points in the process. unnatural and dangerous. And obviously lethal to the unborn baby.

     
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    LOL its clear liberals dont want video evidence... they ignore it here just like they ignore it when Joe Biden brags about firing the Ukrainian Attorney General.
    Definitively NOT trolling. There are 60,000,000 dead babies due to planned parenthood. I just wanted to start a dialog about late term abortions. And we will get there... just be patient.
     
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    We can go point by point on this. Specifically, what stat are you not accepting?
     
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    Right, when the evidence doesnt fit your preference of left wing talking heads, you would naturally discredit the doctor who has the most knowledge on these abortions. Now, watch the 2nd video and tell me how that would NOT be traumatizing to a woman?
     
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    No I prefer research and validated statistics

    Get back to me when you have either
     
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    Good and when you get there I will decimate your arguments

    Better prepared “pro-lifers” have attempted this in the past

    Welcome to your worst nightmare a literate, educated, knowledgeable prochoicer with a preference for academic level discussions
     
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    https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/abortion-procedures-surgical

    https://americanpregnancy.org/unplanned-pregnancy/abortion-procedures/[/QUOTE]

    Your first source had this to say in terms of medical complications:

    Complications of surgical abortion
    Complications occur in around three per cent of surgical abortion cases. The risk of complications depends on how many weeks pregnant you are. Abortions performed in the first trimester are the safest. Most surgical abortions are performed in the first trimester.

    Complications of surgical abortion can include:

    • haemorrhage – bleeding after an abortion should be similar to a menstrual period. If heavy bleeding occurs the abortion may not be complete. Sometimes, treatment for this is to do a suction curettage of the uterus. Blood transfusion is rarely required
    • infection – a fever (high temperature) may indicate that you have an infection. This can be caused by an incomplete abortion or a sexually transmitted infection. Sometimes, women can develop a chronic infection called pelvic inflammatory disease (PID). Treatment for infection is with antibiotics
    • injury to the uterus – the walls of your uterus are muscular but soft. Sometimes the surgical instruments used for an abortion can injure (or ‘perforate’) the uterus. In rare instances this can cause an abdominal infection (peritonitis) and severe blood loss. This complication is very rare and, if it occurs, will usually be recognised and treated straight away
    • injury to the cervix – the cervix is stretched during an abortion. If you have multiple procedures the cervix can weaken – this is sometimes called an 'incompetent' cervix.
    An incompetent cervix can cause problems in later pregnancies, because it is too weak to remain fully closed under the weight of a growing pregnancy.

    These last two complications are rare, because surgical abortions are undertaken by experienced surgeons.
     
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    CDC is validated as it has gone through a process where baseline data is reviewed often comparatives are done and independent analysis has occurred. Guttmacher institute data is used by both sides even though they are an affiliate of PP simply because they use validated data and research
     
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    Admittedly it was a quick search

    But I do have a tendency now to post like for like. Got tired of spending hours researching academic papers to have my opponent quote some neck beard off the Internet

    THIS Aus the level of evidence you should be using

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
     
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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1049386715001589https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1049386715001589

    More research
     
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