Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. Iron_Merc

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    Be honest now... Are you from Jupiter or something? You do realize we are on earth, right? ...Like the planet earth. There are nations here. People groups. Cultures. Mores, ethos, creeds, edicts, etc. There is also good and evil here. Perhaps you should do a little research into what side kills and what side creates.

    I would like you to back this up with data - show the world that Jews and slaves were forced to gestate.
     
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    She should not find herself in a situation where she needs an abortion to begin with.

    No. A non-pregnant woman cannot walk into the abortion clinic and demand an abortion.

    I disagree. If you do not want to be pregnant/make a woman pregnant, it is your social responsibility to use contraceptives/birth control. It is called "damage control".

    This is not true and an "excuse" only suitable for an irresponsible and lazy whore. Condoms and birth control have a failure rate so small it is not even worthy mentioning.

    Do youw ant sex, but not a child? Use it!

    Yes and this is why I believe in abstinence until you meet the right one. It is not that hard.

    However, the greatest act of responsibility in this context is; If you do not want to be pregnant, do not get pregnant.

    I never said that.

    Yes, I did.

    As the common man would call it; dumb.

    A woman who is unwillingly pregnant has been irresponsible.

    Yes, I am an Anarcho-Capitalist and am a more consistent believer in that notion than you will ever be. For all I care, one should be able to buy abortions at McDonald's. However, my personal opinion is that abortions are bad.
     
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    The question is not decidable because we don't know if the child wants to live or die.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If an accidental pregnancy occurs - get an abortion -its really simple.
     
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    Was it you that I saw the other day marching in protest with sign reading "Choose Chastity" ?

    So long as people are having sex - and BC is not perfect - accidental pregnancies will happen.
     
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    No, in fact my [our] president has already gotten millions of food stamps and helped millions of people gain their independence back from the bloated and overgrown government "blob" that Obama created.
     
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    Pro Choicers and Pro Lifers alike are both wrong because they want to take control of the legislative power to create laws that forces everyone else to conform to their value systems. I believe in freedom. Freedom of life. Freedom of choice. The government must stay out of people's bedrooms and women's wombs.

    Abortions are undesirable and objectively so. I am calling it "objectively undesirable" because no woman strives to have an abortion, all women wish to avoid that situation. With this in mind, we can ask ourselves; How can you avoid getting into a situation where you need an abortion? Since abortion is a medical solution to an unwanted pregnancy, the obvious answer to the latter question is; Do not get unwillingly pregnant.

    Now, can one avoid an unwanted pregnancy?

    The most obvious and easiest way, is of course, not to have sex because a pregnancy - no matter if wanted or not - can only be the result of (heterosexual) sexual intercourse. If you wait with sex until you are with a person whom you would not mind raising a child with, no pregnancy would be unwanted and thus there would never be a demand for an abortion.

    For some reason, many people have a problem with this, they just cannot grasp how one can abstain from sex. To these people, the advice is to take responsibility by using contraceptives. Alternatively, they can get castrated.

    This should not be controversial at all and should not make anyone on Earth upset.

    No, but whoever it was, they made a great point.

    BC and condoms have a failure rate lower than 1% and if this scares you, you have great incentives to do what I adovate; wait until you feel safe. :)
     
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    Do you want to live?
     
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    If a mother can't raise a child, she should better release it for adoption rather than killing it.
     
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    That doesn't matter here.
     
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    1% is ridiculously high. This means that 1 our of every 100 times someone has sex - the contraceptive will fail. My guess is the failure rate is much lower.

    Good that you do not want to force personal and/or religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law) - The founders applaud you and so do I.

    People want to have sex - without the intention of procreating - and they will continue to do so.

    My take is if an accident happens - get it taken care of quickly - prior to the creation of a human. I have little sympathy for late term abortion.
     
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    Of course it does.
     
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    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.


    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     
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    Your are assuming a child exists in the early stages of pregnancy. This kind of assumed premise fallacy is very common in abortion debates.

    If you want to claim "A child / living human / person exists" you have to show that this claim is true.

    I have yet to see any valid arguments for the claim "A single human cell - aka zygote - is a living human".
     
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    If you have casual sex 100 times, you are not being very responsible. And if you think 1% is "ridiculously high", you have a great reason to "choose chastity". ;)

    You are basically agreeing with me here.

    What founders? I am not American.

    This is not an argument and it does not even mean anything at all.

    My take is; avoid accidents.

    Women and chilren are the most precious and valueble members of society - They deserve respect and ought to be cherished. A great way of showing respect for women is not to "pump n' dump" them. A great way of showing love to children is to ensure they are not brought into unloving environments.

    How does this relate to abortion?
    i. Do not shag a woman whom you don't love.
    ii. Do not create a child with a woman whom you don't love.

    This, of course, applies for women too and since nature is cruel, women carry a greater responsibility since it is they who get pregnant and they who - when all comes around - have the final say on the dating market:
    i. Respect yourself.
    ii. Do not have sex with the handsome ******bag.
    iii. Avoid getting pregnant if you are not ready for motherhood.
    iv. Only enter motherhood with a man whom you love and who is good father material.

    This has nothing to do with neither "women's rights" nor "misogyny". This is about being an adult.
     
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    This concept is most important...
    Because in the absence of moral law... the devil reigns supreme...
    and even you don't want that, trust me when I tell you.

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    And besides, if your definition of peace and harmony is killing your unborn children, you really don't want peace and harmony, now do you?
     
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    I doubt it. :)
     
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    I'm always amazed at how recovering alcoholics and drug users flock to these causes where they get to blame anyone else for the world's problems. Here it's blaming women. New day, same story.
     
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    What are you talking about? :laughing:
     
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    Doesn't have to be one person having sex 100 times - could be 100 people having sex once. Do the math - abortions are not that common so BC must be much more effective than 99%. Not sure what you think I am agreeing with ?

    It matters not what your nationality is - and further - every western democracy and a bunch of other nations - are based on the principle of respect for individual liberty.


    You are correct that it was not an argument - it was a statement of fact. What it means is that there are going to be accidental pregnancies -


    Your take is ridiculous... it is like saying - Don't drive a car because there is a risk of an accident - don't ski because there is a risk of an accident.

    In fact ... by your logic - one should not rise from bed in the morning as one might fall and break neck. Did you know that the risk of harm from "Walking" is 400 times the risk of being harmed in a terrorist attack ?




    I agree that it is not a good idea to bring a child into a disfunctional environment - that is how monsters are created - this is why - in the case of an accidental pregnancy - abortion is often the best option.
     
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    I think that an expectant human being already has a right to live. Maybe I'm too humanistic ...
     
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    Oh lord, the Utopian Land of "Shoulds"....there shouldn't be death or disease or accidents or cancer or tsunamis or war or starvation......but there ARE.



    :) That was a silly statement....and did NOTHING to refute "It's a legal medical procedure you CAN just have."" in the CONTEXT we were discussing.





    It is NOT law....and good to see you refer to an abortion as "damage control".....that is exactly what it is :)


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    THERE IT IS FOLKS! THE INEVITABLE MISOGYNY AND HEART OF THE MATTER.







    However in the REAL world women do get pregnant. Those "whore"ing men just won't stop having sex !! :) :)




    YES, you have continually said that you dictate what other's responsibilities are... for a good example....""she SHOULD""..

    The actions of another are NOT YOUR responsibility.....even though you seem to want to" Rule On What Other's Responsibility Is"....you don't.



    That's in response to : ""No, they usually think it over first....did you have a point?""

    ...and I saw no point because women do think about whether to have an abortion or not.



    NOW state the law that says it is a crime.

    And a woman who gets raped and ""unwillingly pregnant", being irresponsible if she aborts??


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    LOL! So we are right back to what I said several posts ago : If you don't like/want/careabout /think abortions are bad ...then don't have one!

    :)
     
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    Religious zealots and their high-horse moralism.
     
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    Will you pay for her medical bills, her loss of time at work, her educational losses, the damage to her body and the pain and suffering of pregnancy and childbirth ?

    NO, adoption is NOT always an option.
     
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    Then you're willing to pay the costs, share the complications of pregnancy and help raise the kid for 18 years. Shouldn't the mother be entitled to some expectations as well?
     

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