Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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    Good, you edited it now. :thumbsup:

    However, the post includes all caps and as I have already told you, I do not respond to posters who write in all caps.

    The only dodging I am doing is that of to avoid the poop that you are throwing around.
     
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    Pregnancy can be a terrible mental experience for women...as can childbirth and raising children...
     
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    :) LOL! It's a dodge. You were shown to be wrong and just can't admit it.....big letters or small, you were wrong ...

    I said very clearly:
    FoxHastings said:
    Oh, but an abortion due to rape is exactly the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.


    DUHHHHHH, I am not talking about the sex act, I am, and was, CLEARLY referring to abortion....uh, duh, they are not the same thing :roll:




    I bet if I put it in all small letters(oh, look, I made "I" a big letter!), you still couldn't tell me why an abortion due to rape is any different than an abortion due to consensual sex...or why one is ok and one isn't...
     
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    Same as abortion, which is also not always an option.
    It depends on how the woman or she and her man can handle it.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I take that as a "no", that you really don't believe adoption is always an option?
    NO, it only depends on how SHE can handle it.


    Why wouldn't abortion be an option?
     
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    Rape is unconsensual which means the woman is not responsible for the pregnancy that may result from it. This is very simple and I know you understand it, but you are just pretending not to.
     
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    Women who think so should better get their ovaries removed right away. :(
     
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    why would an abortion due to rape be an exception?




    oh, but an abortion due to rape is exactly the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.


    why a person thinks one is ok but the other isn't does call for some explanation.



    all small letters :)
     
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    how is the abortion due to rape any different than an abortion due to consensual sex?

    the procedure and outcome are exactly the same for both.
     
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    For example, if someone does not tolerate destroying life, even in its earliest stage.
     
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    Same as killing someone in self-defense and murdering someone are two different things.
     
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    Are you having a laugh? This post is clearly a personal attack, so I won't even bother addressing any of it.
     
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    Depends on when in the term .. I am pro choice but I have issues with abortion later in term - definitely from a moral perspective.

    Early in term ... say if the condom breaks so we are talking zygote stage and possibly earlier (can take 2 days for sperm to reach egg) . I have no problem with it .. and as a Father would council my daughter to take the abortion pill if it was not the right time in her life.

    At the zygote stage - you have a single human cell. In that cell is DNA. In That DNA is the blueprint for a human and the construction codes.

    In a heart cell - is also a single human cell - with the same DNA, Blueprint, construction codes.

    The significant difference is that the codes for "create a human" in the heart cell DNA are not activated. ( We are now close to being able to activate them .. and bring a Sabre Tooth Tiger back from extinction).

    So where does this leave us morally ? Yes - the codes are there for a new building - but, that building has yet to be built .. only the "potential" exists.

    In fact - not one brick (cell) in the structure of that building/human - has been laid. The zygote cell will never be part of that structure... nor will any of the other hundreds of cells that come after - cells that form the blastocyst - a hollow sac of cells that will end up as the placenta.

    It is only after this is formed that the first cells of that human in the blueprint will be created - the "embryoblast".

    Sometimes the record skips and and two or three new humans are created from that blueprint.

    All of the cells in the blastocyst are "totipotent" clones of the zygote. Totipotent meaning that they can produce any cell - any one of these cells could be used to create a new human. These are the stem cells we hear so much about.

    These are the creators of the human .. the builders .. They manufacture the bricks for the building .. none however is one of those bricks..

    Philosophy question - If not one cell in the structure of a human exists .. does that human exist ?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    why would an abortion due to rape be an exception?

    oh, but an abortion due to rape is exactly the same procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex.

    why a person thinks one is ok but the other isn't does call for some explanation.

    all small letters :)


    clearly there is no personal attack and clearly you have no answer to those inconvenient questions :)
     
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    If it will almost certainly exist in the future, then I think it is wrong to interrupt the process that will lead to its existence.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    how is the abortion due to rape any different than an abortion due to consensual sex?

    the procedure and outcome are exactly the same for both.


    no, it's not the same. the procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is exactly the same as in an abortion due to consensual sex.
     
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    Why are you writing in all small letters? :no:
     
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    Consensual sex is consensual, whereas rape is the definition of non-consensual sex - The difference could not be any more obvious.
     
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    Oh the horror of pregnancy, What sheer terror can compare to carrying around a "parasite" for 9 months? And then actually birthing this useless human being who cannot even care for him or her (or it) self? Unconscionable! Terminate your pregnancy at once and you will never once regret it. That's a promise from planned parenthood! *wink *wink

    Yes, the left wing likens the fetus to a parasite.

    I know there was this one guy who likened Jews to parasites, as well.

    So, the left wing thinks a fetus is a parasite and not a person and Hitler thought Jews were parasites and not persons. Hmmm.

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    And, then, you have to, like, breast-feed it and stuff and, like, that will totally ruin the beauty of your boobs and stuff and, like, the baby will cry and stuff and, like, you won't get your beauty sleep and such. And, like, instead of buying make up and such, you'll have to, like, buy stuff and stuff for the kid until they turn 18 and stuff. And that is, like, sooo terrible and stuff.
     
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    Not almost certainly. The odds of a child being created out of a pregnancy are what ?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443340/

    That is in the first few weeks -- even after making it to this point - it is far less than "an almost certainty"

    We live in a dangerous world.
     
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    It was shunned, disencouraged and came with a huge, social cost. Besides, I do not really see how this has anything to do with anything at all.

    It is. Pre-Christian Europe was an absolute hell-hole with awful values and tons of misogyny and barbarianism.

    And this is why people who get behind the wheel take their responsibility by driving cautiously and paying attention and respect to their surroundings.

    I do not think your mother considers you an accident. At least, I hope she doesn't.

    This is a terrible comparison and you know it.

    If you think treating women as human beings rather than as sex objects is silly, that is your problem and not mine.

    Yes, this is why we teach our kids to be responsible and cautious.

    I would not say choosing chastity is equal to "not living life".
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    no, it's not the same. the procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is exactly the same as in an abortion due to consensual sex.

    but the question is not about what the difference between consensual and none consensual sex is.

    it is about the procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is exactly the same as the procedur and outcome in an abortion due to consensual sex.

    It is clearly about abortion and not the sex act.


    you appear not to be able to tell me what the difference is in the abortion procedures and outcomes...
     
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    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.


    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     
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    gee, folks, no misogyny there :roll:….(sarcasm alert)…..
     
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