Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I saw none. But thanks for that remark anyway. I enjoy some who defend abortion. Democrats would have been super wise to codify abortion into law. Rather than depend on a ruling that was about privacy.
     
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    You do not defend women at all. You defend women who lack morals, lack the desire to care for the child they created.

    And if you think you defend blacks or slaves or Jews, forget it. You defend the above ^^^^^^
     
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    Of course you didn't see any.....doesn't mean it wasn't there.

    RvW seems to be working fine, as it has for 50 years :)
     
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    Under Christianity was even worse - The 1000 years of horror - and misogyny increased. The Golden Rule was around long before Christians .. and many societies in the past were way better as far is respecting individual liberty is concerned. Christianity was a nightmare with respect to individual liberty.

    You are way off the farm on this one.

    And it is why responsible people - when having sex -take precautions.

    This is a ridiculous comment -and you know it - find something more coherent to say.

    It is not a terrible comparison .. which is why you can not show that the above claim is true.


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    Why can't they be both ? - What exactly is a "sex object" - and good luck giving a definition that does not make the above negative labeling of sex look silly.


    You can choose to live your life how you want - that is the beauty of freedom - others choose what they like.

    The fact of the matter is that people take risks all the time - sex is just one aspect of life. You are arguing as if one could live life without any risk.. and that is simply a bad argument.
     
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    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured
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    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     
  6. Robert

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    RvW amounts to crap. It would have been very intelligent for Democrats to put it into the law codes. Like they did for women's rights.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ha ha ha. Still have no proof. So repeat the same failed comments.
     
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    RvW seems to be working fine, as it has for 50 years :)….and women are getting all the abortions they CHOOSE....:)
     
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    It hasn't failed...no one, including you has yet to refute it :)




    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.


    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     
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    Keep shouting. Maybe a Democrat will hear your shouts.
     
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    Not at all. Sweden (my country) was a barbaric haven for hedonistic Vikings who enslaved, tortured and pilaged one and other and who hadha no respect for neither intellectualism nor property.

    Take something as simple as charity; if you were to tell a Roman or Greek to help the needy solely for the sake of helping, they would consider you nuts.

    Nope.

    Exactly, when having and not after having. So, it seems we agree after all. :)
     
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    Paradoxical, considering we have over 7.5 billion people on this planet, right?

    And remember, pregnancy is not considered to be established until there is evidence of implantation.

    The natural reproductive process is far more efficient than you might think. There is a school of thought that supposes embryo mortality during the first few weeks of pregnancy is another example or measure of biological quality control. If the uterus does not detect certain chemicals being emitted from the zygote it will fail to implant, quite possibly giving the women a more successful chance at pregnancy in the long right. Lets delve a little deeper:

    Excerpt taken from your linked article (very telling):
    However, the first external sign of pregnancy occurs two weeks after fertilisation with a missed menstrual period, and establishing the fate of embryos before this is challenging. Calculations are additionally hampered by a lack of data on the efficiency of fertilisation under natural conditions.

    I've linked some evidence that appears to contradict the high embryo mortality "theory" proposed by liberal leftists. This study was done by a researcher at the University of Cambridge.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170613101932.htm

    Here is the truthful narrative regarding human embryo mortality (excerpt from my link):
    "Trying to determine whether a human embryo survives during the first days after fertilisation is almost impossible," says Dr Jarvis. "A woman can only suspect that she is pregnant, at the earliest, two weeks after fertilisation, when she misses a period. Using sensitive laboratory tests, embryos can be detected as they implant into the womb about one week after fertilisation. What happens before then under natural circumstances is anyone's guess."

    In conclusion, natural human embryo mortality is lower than often claimed and widely accepted. Estimates for total prenatal mortality of 70% or higher are exaggerated and not supported by the available data.
     
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    Tell it to the Democrats calling ICE detention centers "Concentration camps" and President Trump "Hitler".
     
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    Still no answer to "what is the difference between an abortion procedure/outcome due to rape and an abortion procedure/outcome due to consensual sex..."""
     
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    Why? I'm telling it to people who seem to have no respect for Jews or slaves or women.

    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.


    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     
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    You just had a chance to apply your standard to people doing exactly what you are complaining about and utterly dropped the ball, confirming the non genuine nature of your "concern" and blatant, double standards.
    Tell it to the Democrats calling ICE detention centers "Concentration camps" and President Trump "Hitler".
     
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    This is the Abortion Forum....and it wasn't I who brought up the Nazis and Hitler and Jews and slaves….

    No one has refuted :

    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.


    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     
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    And you dodge again
     
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    This serves to dovetail nicely into anti hero Margaret Sangers (mother of the sexual revolution) view of charities. Looks take a closer look (upfront: she despised charities like the right wing despises Planned Parenthood) chew on that for a minute.


    “chools for the blind, deaf and mute…our eyes should be opened to the terrific cost …of this dead weight of human waste.”

    “...This menace demands action, “Possibly drastic and Spartan methods may be forced upon American society if it continues complacently to encourage the chance and chaotic breeding that has resulted from our stupid, cruel sentimentalism.”

    ...Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and is perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents. My criticism, therefore, is not directed at the “failure” of philanthropy, but rather at its success. p. 38.

    sentimental charities, which sprang up like mushrooms, only tended to increase the evils of discriminant breeding.” p. 46.

    “These dangers…in…humanitarianism…produce their full harvest of human waste…[by] the Salvation Army [and its] debauch of sentimentalism…” p.38.
    This debauchery includes, “chools for the blind, deaf and mute…our eyes should be opened to the terrific cost …of this dead weight of human waste.” p. 39.


    “Such “benevolence”… conceals a stupid cruelty…” p. 40.

    And “The most serious charge that can be brought against modern “benevolence” is that it encourages the perpetuation of defectives, delinquents and dependents.” p. 43.

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    You don't help the needy by killing their children. The left wing has failed the impoverished.

    You help the needy by getting them out from under democratic control.

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    Individual liberty was far greater under the Vikings - and most every other society that has ever existed - and that is the topic - not charity :)
     
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    Not paradoxical at all ... simple probability.

    Odds of survival increase after successful implantation - but it is still not a certainty.

    The natural reproductive process is far more efficient than you might think. There is a school of thought that supposes embryo mortality during the first few weeks of pregnancy is another example or measure of biological quality control. If the uterus does not detect certain chemicals being emitted from the zygote it will fail to implant, quite possibly giving the women a more successful chance at pregnancy in the long right. Lets delve a little deeper:

    Who knows which one will survive and which one will not .. "anyone's guess" - like looking at the seeds simmering in oil in the popcorn pot and guessing which one will pop first :) What we do know from experience is that roughly 75% don't make it to implantation.
     
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    Yes that's correct, an animal has been given personhood.
     
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    Again, it's impossible to know the embryo mortality rate prior to implantation in the uterus. The 75% failure rate you assert is merely the left wing writing a speculative narrative. And you are following that narrative to a tee. Just more evidence that you sympathize with the liberal left. By the way, there is something called the "liberal deniability paradox" where one sheds all accountability (essentially immunity) during a debate by claiming they are not a liberal nor a member of the democratic party. I'm not saying this is you, but it does happen more often than you would think.

    The article you linked has this to say on the matter:

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    Hahahahahaha. Good one.
     
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    I didn't dodge. I made a true statement:

    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.


    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     

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