Abortions and vaccinations

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you support abortions, do you support people against vaccinations?

    Should people be forced to have vaccinations or should it be their choice?
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    No one in the US is FORCED to have a vaccination
     
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    It's their body, and not the body of another human being, at least in the case of vaccinations.
     
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    Do you support making abortions a public health policy issue?

    Yes or no?
     
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  5. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    .....and
     
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    I don't see any relationship between the two.
     
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    I am against abortions. But I support peoples right to choose what happens to their body. Body autonomy > rights of the unborn. Abortion should stay legal and on demand, though I oppose elective abortion being funded by taxpayers.

    Vaccination technology is great. Its application within our corporatist system is terrible. The vaccines we can get place shelf life and cost of manufacture (more words for 'profit') ahead of safety. I support anyone who is unwilling to risk their own individual health (or their child's) to a vaccine injury to maintain heard immunity for everyone else. We are not a collective. I also support anyone that is willing to risk their own health for the good of everyone else- the world could certainly use more selflessness. I just wish everyone knew thats what they were doing when they get a vaccine... the folks who try to suppress vaccine injuries to protect themselves from an epidemic by coercing everyone else to participate in heard immunity (and absoarb all the risk) are the worst people IMO. I dont support forcibly or coercively vaccinating anyone... except maybe them.
     
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    Your op uses the word forced. No one is forced now

    So no......no one should be held down and forced to have a vaccination
     
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    'My body my choice' logically applies to both pregnancy and vaccination. As much as no one should be unwillfully subjected to one, so too the other.
     
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    What about if they were to be fined?
     
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    Well no one is fined now for not getting a vaccination
     
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    Do you support the right of the government to quarantine Ebola victims? If it's strictly a "it's their body," issue, why can't they go were they want?
     
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    No, it doesn't. A fetus is part of a woman's body. An abortion doesn't harm the "HERD".

    A measles/polio/etc. outbreak harms many in the "herd'. It affects society adversely..

    Are you willing to pay for the medical care of the victims of an epidemic that could've been stopped by vaccinations?


    I still don't see any point to the thread.

    Being Pro-Choice only means one thing, women have a right to choose abortion or gestation.

    Pro-Choice is not a club or organization where it's required to believe the same way about every aspect of life.
     
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  14. Nonnie

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    The reason I mentioned it was because there's a growing number of forum threads (on other forums) about this vaccination v autism issue. Surprising how many are saying that people should be made to have the vaccinations because of the measle, mumps outbreaks etc.. but isn't it their body, their choice. There was a march in Australia about not having vaccinations (not sure of Australian law), so if they're made to have them, isn't it their body, their choice.

    So link this with abortion. Your body, your choice. That's allowed, why not vaccinations (aimed at those who feel those people should have to have vaccinations).
     
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    In America you are free to choose if you want a vaccination or not
     
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    Are all Anti-Choicers for or against vaccinations?
     
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    Those who have measles, which is not much of a disease threat or public health issue at all, are being quarantined.

    They won't even let them attend school.
     
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    Kids DIE from measles....if they aren't yours is that OK ?
     
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    See, quarantine is a wonderful thing. Always has been, always will be.

    Measles ain't squat compare to Ebola.
     
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    In 1980, 2.8 million people died from the measles. With vaccinations, that number has dropped about 70,000. It's a very contagious disease. My niece is 80% deaf because she wasn't vaccinated and caught the disease at age 3. Not much of a public health issue, my ass. Far more people will die from the measles this year than ebola.
     
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    The topic isn't comparing diseases.

    Kids can spread measles(which can also cause male sterility) before they're diagnosed. That's how it's spread to actual living children.

    You did NOT answer the question :

    Kids DIE from measles....if they aren't yours is that OK ?
     
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    Funny how Anti-Choicers show such concern for a fetus but once it's born they don't really care about it's health and safety.

    Unanswered question:
    Are all Anti-Choicers for or against vaccinations?
     
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    So 'Pro-Choice' is not the promotion of the freedom to choose... its only promoting the freedom to choose abortion?
     
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    Perhaps my phrasing of the future tense was unclear... Ill try again.

    If a political movement started, sometime in the future, with the goal of fining the unvaccinated, would you support it, or would you oppose it?
     
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    Why haven't you addressed this question, @Nonnie ?
     
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