About the Holocaust

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by stan1990, Mar 11, 2019.

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  1. stan1990

    stan1990 Member

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    The holocaust was a savage and barbaric act of mass murder against a group of people based on ethnic and religious background. Over 6 million innocent people were victims including one million children. Any rational person with a heart will lay down his personal feeling against the Jewish people and sympathize with the victims especially the children's. However, this short thread isn’t about the numbers, they are irrelevant. It’s awful to murder any individual based on ethnic, religious background or color of skin with the due legal process and the right to appoint a lawyer.

    Every year, posts fill the social & news media about the memory of the one million Jewish children the victims of the Holocaust. But nobody remembers over one million Iraqi children died after years of Americans sanctions, invasion and occupation. No annual remembrance day, no social media posts or twitter trending and hashtags.

    It’s sad because the general theme of the western media is strong double standards. In France, you could be prosecuted for denying the Holocaust or being skeptical about the numbers. But what about the Turkish holocaust against the Armenians before and during WW1? What about the Nazis Holocaust in Russia? What about the Belgian king Leopold II Holocaust in the Congo? He killed over 10 million Congolese during his time only not counting the massacres occurred after.

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    The problem is over using the term holocaust weakens it. Nothing you stated approaches the horror of the actual holocaust. Gemocide.....certainly....but there is one holocaust
     
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    100% True.
     
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    what is this...Holocaust Envy?
     
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    It sounds like you support a more "democratic" & comprehensive study of the innumerable genocides / mass killings / ethnic cleansing rather than the tendency of Hollywood & MSM to obsess over what has relatively recently been labeled as "The Holocaust" to the point that many voracious readers suffer from "holocaust fatigue".

    Yes, I think mankind would benefit enormously from the knowledge that no ethnic group, nationality, religion etc has a monopoly on either Good or Evil.

    Since this is in the Middle East" section, it seems appropriate to note that the Israelis are today's most egregious, foreign funded ethnic cleansers, the so called "lessons of the holocaust" have been lost on those who currently need those lessons most.

    As long as the Victors write the history, we are exposed primarily to the crimes of the vanquished while "Eisenhower's holocaust"(1) & Churchill's War Crimes(2) go unmentioned.

    Of course, man's inhumanity to man far predated WW2 and there is little mention of monsters like Genrikh Yagota(3).

    Perhaps the most poorly recorded holocausts were committed during the Colonial Period & not just by Belgian king Leopold II.
    Countless millions where herded up, massacred and/or starved under British Colonial rule, alone.

    So, yes, by all means, we should study all of man's cruelties to his fellow man more thoroughly and by doing so, we will soon learn that no ethnic group, race, nationality or religion has a monopoly on either good or evil.



    (1) "GERMAN HOLOCAUST GERMAN GENOCIDE: 9-15 Million Germans Killed 1945 – 1953 Post WW2 “The Morgenthau Plan” EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS “A Forgotten Genocide”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2014/...eisenhowers-death-camps-a-forgotten-genocide/


    (2) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

    EXCERPT "Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:

    “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”CONTINUED


    (3) "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people."CONTINUED
     
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    nonsense, white supremacist propaganda
     
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    Prove it.

    Or rather, try to disprove the fact that over 1 million German POWs & civilians were not exterminated primarily via starvation after Eisenhower illegally downgraded German POWs to a nonexistent "Disarmed Enemy" status.
     
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    first its "9 to 15 million".

    now its "more than 1 million".,

    funny how your numbers drop by more than 90%!!!!!

    :p
     
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    and then you say..

     
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    I do agree with you that over using the term Holocaust weakens it but this is political matter. However, it will not cancel the fact that many other genocides, ethnic cleansing, whatever you call it targeted the whole population and deserve fair coverage by the media.They are equal to the Jewish holocaust in horror and cruelty.
     
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    I agree that other genocides have been horrible and deserve media attention. Rwanda, Darfur, Armenian.....etc.

    But nothing was as horrific as the holocaust
     
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    Good comment
     
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    How suppose this thread to be a holocaust envy?
     
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    The figure of approximately 1 million applies to the probable deaths of innocent German civilians and German POWs who were systematically executed via starvation, exposure and diseases incurred while living without food, medical care or shelter in group excrement.
    It places like Auschwitz, etc conditions were luxurious by comparison.
    "Disarmed Enemy Forces" was a nonexistent classification used by Eisenhower to bypass the Geneva Convention.

    In the East, the same innocent German civilians were raped, massacred & expelled from their homes if they had one.
    Other German civilians were rounded up into torture camps run by Jewish individuals like Solomon Morel who, in spite of extradition orders from Poland for mass murder, lived to a ripe, old age in Israel, home to war criminals.

    You're missing the point of my Post of of the thread in general which is that humanity should be made aware of the innumerable other mass killings to better understand the reality that no religious, ethnic group, nationality is intrinsically either Good or Evil.

    Your earlier Comment ridiculing the memorialization of the victims of Pol Pot, Genrikh Yagota, Mao etc exemplifies the finding of the following poll:

    "POLL: JEWS OVERPLAY THE HOLOCAUST"
    http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Poll-Jews-overplay-the-Holocaust

    EXCERPT "Europeans believe Jews talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust, a poll conducted by the Anti-Defamation League and released Thursday revealed" CONTINUED

    According to this poll, Europeans, at least are suffering from Holocaust Fatigue, not "Holocaust Envy".

    Why not put equal focus in the schools & MSM on other mass killings such as Holodomor, the Nakba, & other large scale Colonial ethnic cleansings that consumed Australian Aborigines, Africans & Native Americans.
    There are numerous mass killings that far exceeded the European, 20th century holocaust in numbers, scope & cruelty.

    To suggest that the European WW2 era holocaust was somehow more profound because some of its victims were Jewish is as myopic as it is racist and factually flawed.
     
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    gas chambers, crematoria built to burn 600,000 bodies a year and mass-starvation, is luxurious?

    LOL!!! Holocaust denial is soo pathetic.
     
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    The only reason you'd make such a naive pronouncement is because the wealthy, fraudulent & influential Holocaust Industry hucksters, Movie Makers & thought shapers have helped ensure that you'd never heard of monsters like Solomon Morel, Genrikh Yagota, Leonid Reichman etc or the horrors they inflicted on far more people from which there is no brimming pool of "survivors".
     
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    Oh you had to go down the conspiracy theory road. Ok get it all out. Who is behind this dastardly conspiracy to keep all this stuff quiet.


    One guess folks. Lol
     
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    It's a conspiracy by a group.of people that rhymes with twos. Lol
     
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    And exploiting the holocaust for political gain is equally pathetic as is playing the victim card forever.
     
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    Re: "Holocaust denial"
    Very few people deny that the Roma, homosexuals, Communists, Jews & genuine criminals were incarcerated in work camps. Some were executed and later, many died in great numbers due to typhus & other deprivations due to Allied destruction of German supply lines.
    However, not a single homicidal gas chamber has been found in ANY of the camps and, at Auschwitz there was never enough coke/coal to burn 600,000 bodies a year.

    It's the grisly holocaust embellishments that are pathetic:

    “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED
     
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    so is keeping millions of people in refugee camps for 70 years while every other nation on Earth has treated their refugees with kindness and assimiliated them into society

    ...purely for political gain
     

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