About the Holocaust

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wrong!!!!

    the Nazi racial laws considered someone with one single male Jewish great-grandparent, as an ARYAN. Not a Jew, not a Mischlinge but an ARYAN.

    if Maurice had one single Jewish grandparent, he'd be a Mischlinge.

    but he had one single Jewish GREATgrandparent, and that made him legally an Aryan.

    To call this man a Jew, is preposterous.
     
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  2. pitbull

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    The Nazis made everyone a Jew they did not like. And they also made "Aryans" at will. The Nazi system was pure arbitrariness

    Another alleged "Half-Jew" was Nazi field marshal Erhard Milch:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Milch
     
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    Meanwhile there were NO Jews who were high ranking members of the Nazi Party. The claim, is garbage.
     
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    After all, he was sentenced to life imprisonment. This usually didn't happen to normal soldiers.
     
  7. Ronstar

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    he was a general.

    but just a regular old POS in the Nazi Party.
     
  8. Grau

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    You've been careful to evade 3 questions I asked months ago in my Post #520 of this thread.
    Why should I continue to answer your questions when you repeatedly evade answering mine?

    Those questions were and remain:

    1. Where are homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to heat the Zyklon B to a gaseous state and then introduce the gas into the gas chamber and, later, exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared?

    2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals?

    3. Why are there no reports of seeing cherry red skin by any of the survivors?(See below)





    (1)"Johns Hopkins"
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet

    Signs and Symptoms

    EXCERPT "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color."
    CONTINUED



    (2) "Cyanide Toxicity
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

    EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED


    (3) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth"
    https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm

    1. EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED

    (4) "Cyanide poisoning"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide_poisoning

    EXCERPT "A cherry red skin color that changes to dark may be present"CONTINUED

    (5) "Cyanide toxicity: Dx
    https://www.openanesthesia.org/cyanide_toxicity_dx/

    EXCERPT "…cherry-red skin, bright red retinal arteries and veins,"CONTINUED
     
  9. Ronstar

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    It's good we can all now agree that there were no actual Jews who were high-ranking Nazi party members.

    Such a claim is baseless and ridiculous.
     
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    Sorry bro, but I can already imagine why he doesn't answer your questions.

    First and foremost, Cyclone B was developed to effectively kill lice even under winter conditions. No external heating is required to achieve outgassing that reliably eliminates insect infestation in large buildings. And I hope you already know that only a fraction of this HCN is needed to kill humans.

    Please don't believe in the false claims of Holocaust deniers. They are neo-Nazis and/or Jew-haters who just want to fool you. :(
     
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    That is completely irrelevant. The Nazi killing machine was no less murderous only because it spared 20 or 30 Jews.
     
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    Regardless of the temperature needed to activate Zyklon B, powerful fans and a ventilation system would have been needed to exhaust the gas from the alleged gas chamber but nothing like that has been found anywhere homicidal gas chambers are claimed to have exist.

    I only believe what the facts reveal and simply seek an honest & accurate rendition of history. Seeking an honest and accurate rendition of history has nothing to do with Jew hating or neo Nazism.

    As you know, the British cracked the Enigma code and after listening to German communications, there was not one mention of "gassing" or "gas chambers".

    Additionally:
    EXCERPT
    • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!

    • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.

    • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED (1)






    (1) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
     
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    FALSE!!!!

    the blueprints to Auschwitz show a large gas chamber.

    FALSE!!

    many Sonderkommando have testified about the gas chambers, many Nazi officers have testified about the gas chambers, Himmler and Eichmann both admitted to the genocide of millions of Jews!

    its not our fault that you consider ANY testimony about the gas chambers to be "false", simply because you refuse to accept ANY testimony about gas chambers as being true.

     
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    You raise an interesting contradiction in stating:
    Holocaustians maintain that what makes the holocaust so special is that all Jews were persecuted just because they were Jews.

    However, since many Jews and "Mischlings" rose to the highest ranks in Hitler's military and were members of the Nazi party, it's obvious that many Jews were not persecuted while many were rewarded.

    The Nazis persecuted people who, as you say: "... they did not like." which makes it no different from any of the many other equal or greater mass killings.
     
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    the vast majority of German Jews lost their citizenship and were persecuted.

    only a very select few, with a military background or personal links to Hitler, were spared.
     
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    You already tried to pass off what was clearly marked as a delousing facility as a "homicidal gas chamber" in your Post # 470 of this thread.

    Your discovery is of " plans believed used..." and the idea that someone was just cleaning up one day and found the plans for Auschwitz is hardly credible & very little different than the discovery of the infamous "Hitler Diary".

    From your own REUTERS source:
    EXCERPT " One has an 11.66 meter by 11.20 meter room marked “Gaskammer” (gas chamber) that was part of a “delousing facility.” CONTINUED

    We already know about the extensive delousing facility that was used to save lives.

    Still no homicidal gas chambers.
     
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    You are wrong. This company (pls see link below) was the supplier of the entire extermination technology of Auschwitz-Birkenau; high-performance gas chambers and special crematoria that could burn several bodies at the same time.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

    They also designed and installed a ventilation system, which was absolutely necessary for the effective gassing of large amounts of victims.
     
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    The persecution of entire groups isn't special. This is e.g. the spirit of racism.

    What makes the HC so special is the industrial and well-planned way in which it was carried out. A great, old nation of western culture was capable of such barbarity. This has terrified the whole world.
     
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    Also this bloke.
    Nazi doctor Münch talked about his role in Jew extermination.


    At 3:00
    He speaks German. Grau knows German. :)
     
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    There is no hard evidence that any homicidal gas chambers existed; no photographs, blueprints or authentic drawings have been found in over 70 years of searching.
    Only a handful of tortured or otherwise compromised individuals claim to have seen them while thousands of former inmates interviewed by the Red Cross deny they existed:

    EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED

    These thousands of former inmates had no reason to lie to the Red Cross and every reason to maintain that there were homicidal gas chambers if they really existed.


    (1) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
     
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    It's nit-picking a bit but Germany didn't exist until the late 19C, so hardly old. And the Germanic tribes had always had a dodgy reputation...
     
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    Himmler was not tortured when he admitted to the extermination of the Jews.

    Eichmann was not tortured when he admitted to the extermination of the Jews

    you have no evidence to prove that Cramer or Klein were tortured when they admitted to the gas Chambers

    of course you deny all of the testimony of the sonderkommando because they were Jews

    seems like you have lots of arbitrary and silly reasons to deny everything that counters your preconceived notion of Truth

    as you have already said you will not consider any testimony about gas Chambers since the gas Chambers never existed

    your logic is circular and self-fulfilling and unworthy of an intelligent and mature debate
     
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