About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

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    Don't worry, I've got far too many other interests, demands and responsibilities to obsess over the Holocaust regardless of the time of year.


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    I am, however, interested to know why you think that the majority of people who do not believe the SHN are pro Nazi or anti Semitic.
    The same accusations of anti Semitism or pro Nazi sentiment are made about people who condemn today's Israeli war crimes and ethnic cleansing in historic Palestine but I don't believe that that is true either. Additionally, the criticism of Israeli policy against the Palestinians does not mean that one hates Israel or the Israeli people.

    I believe that I was able to show that the Auschwitz morgue / "gas chamber" could never have functioned as a homicidal gas chamber in which 10,000 people were gassed without even mentioning reprehensible Nazism or anything about the Jewish people.
    I simply looked at all the facts and came to the conclusion that the Auschwitz 1 morgue / "gas chamber" was entirely unsuitable for use as a homicidal gas chamber even once without catastrophic results.
     
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    I noticed that some revisionists praise National Socialism, see the Germans as victims of an "allied historiography", and/or have prejudice towards Jews. The most famous of them is probably David Irving, a British self-made historian, and Hitler biograph.

    David Irving sued professor Deborah Lipstadt for calling him a Holocaust denier. Under British law, she had to defend herself in court. Had she ignored that, Irving would have won by default, and his false storytelling would have been legally sanctioned.

    So she accepted the fight, - and she won. The trial proved Irving's strong affinity with National Socialism and his hatred of Jews.

    For some other HC deniers, you have to dig less deeply. Germar Rudolf, for example, expresses unmistakably positive comments on the Nazis on his blog.

    Ultimately, one can only conclude that Holocaust revisionism is politically motivated and has nothing to do with seeking the truth. :(

    You should contact Robert Jan van Pelt. He's a professional Holocaust researcher. I'm sure he can clear up any misunderstandings.

     
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    Please remember that the ADL study I've cited frequently notes that the vast majority of people around the world do not believe the SHN but you've only named 3 people who may or may not have anti Jewish or pro Nazi sympathies.

    What about the billions of people around the world who do not believe the SHN because of its simple technical & physical impossibilities like the Auschwitz 1 morgue / "gas chamber" ever being an actual homicidal gas chamber?

    I watch the van Pelt video you provided which contained nothing more than the usual SHN nonsense with, of course the usual slander and distortion of the revisionist position.
    Not one of the people I know who reject the SHN believes that Jewish Rabbis gather in Prague to rule the world or any other such insulting rubbish as is promoted by professional and well paid Holocaust Industry hucksters.

    I don't know how you can conclude that Holocaust revisionism is politically motivated and has nothing to do with seeking the truth when you cannot show, for example, how the Auschwitz 1 morgue / gas chamber could ever have been used as a homicidal gas chamber which is one of the core tenets of the SHN.

    As I mentioned in my earlier Post, apologists for Israeli war crimes frequently refer to critics of Israeli war crimes as anti Semites. It seems just as inaccurate to dismiss holocaust revisionism as fatuous and politically motivated.

    Thanks,
     
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    What the ****? I named 2 politically motivated persons denying the SHN, but you named nobody denying the SHN for other reasons.

    They simply don't matter. What's about the billions that don't understand Quantum Theory? Do they affect theoretical physics? I don't think so.

    Sorry, but I can't help it if you generally reject van Pelt. You should better criticize his arguments, rather than his person.

    Please name one HC denier who rejects the SHN on a non-political, rational basis and I'll show you that you're wrong.
    Do you want that debate?

    We should separate that. I suppose I reject the terrorist state of Israel more than you. And even if the Zionists exploit anti-Semitism and the Holocaust for their own purposes, it does not mean that anti-Semitism and the Holocaust don't exist.
     
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    I said early on that I have yet to encounter anyone who actually believes the outrageous SHN who can debate the issue with civility and you are beginning to show an inability to do so with responses like "What the ****?"
    If you'd like to discontinue this exchange, I will gladly respect your wishes.


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    My point in showing that far more people around the world reject the SHN than believe it is to show that the Revisionist position is far more widely accepted than the SHN. Understanding Quantum Theory is nothing like the "groupthink" behind simply being able to regurgitate the same SHN that is promoted by MSM, the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1) and enforced by many Western governments.


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    I do not claim that the holocaust did not happen but I reject the SHN, have no political agenda and have already presented my arguments on a rational basis in showing that the Auschwitz 1 morgue / "gas chamber" could never have been used as a homicidal gas chamber even once without catastrophic results.

    We already had that debate and you were unable to list even 1 reason that building could ever have been used as a homicidal gas chamber so, yes, I'd be happy to debate anything specific about the Holocaust.


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    Firstly, I've never claimed that anti Semitism and the holocaust don't exist but I believe that reviling people who criticize Israeli ethnic cleansing etc as anti Semites & pro Nazi is just as evasive & fatuous as reviling those who reject the SHN with the same epithets.



    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
     
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    I doubt that most people reject the SHN. Nevertheless, what the majority believes has nothing to do with truth.

    Bro, please don't take me for an idiot. I know that you're trying to fool me with your arguments. I often told you that I'm only an amateur. I also showed you links and sources to professionals who are able to satisfy all your questions regarding the HC.

    I told you several times that Auschwitz-1 was a makeshift until the Birkenau gas chambers were ready to use.

    You think you're an amateur boxer in the ring, fighting another amateur who looks weaker than you. You probably might win. But unfortunately, this can't refute the reality of the Holocaust. :)
     
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    According to an ADL study that you are welcome to read for yourself, the vast majority of people around the world are not deceived by the fraudulent, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry that is so dishonest and corrupt that it even cheats deserving holocaust survivors(2).
    If an organization is so corrupt and dishonest that it is willing to cheat deserving holocaust survivors, it it certainly willing to lie in order to market its "product" and extort more money.


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    I, too am just an amateur who has many other interests than just WW 2 and the holocaust. I have simply learned over my 69 years of global travels extensive experience with dishonest governments and corrupt industries to think for myself and look at all the facts before I believe anything so outrageously false as the SHN.
    I'm only suggesting that that you, too, think for yourself instead of believing the for-profit SHN that your government demands you to believe.

    I hope you will agree that I have been nothing but civil, polite and respectful during this exchange. Virtually everything I've stated I've been able to support with credible sources and have no motive to deceive you in any manner.
    If anyone is trying to fool you it is the wealthy, influential and corrupt Holocaust Industry and its many well paid employees who need draconian censorship laws because their Big Lie is too fragile to stand up to serious questioning.

    The truth does not fear honest examination and open debate but a lie must have those same fascist censorship laws to survive.

    In addition to my hope to have a civil and respectful exchange, I hope I have at least shown you that it is possible to reject the SHN based on independent thinking, hard evidence and eyewitness accounts that have been heavily repressed by the corrupt & fraudulent Holocaust Industry.


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    In my Post # 676 I provided both many reasons as well as eyewitness testimony that the Auschwitz 1 morgue / "gas chamber" could never have been used even once without catastrophic results.
    The eyewitness I provided as well as Auschwitz's last Commandant, Richard Baer, maintain that there were never homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz.(3)

    Additionally, the British cracked the German "Enigma" code in 1941 and were able to listen to what was going on in the camps. The whole time they were listening, there was never any mention of "mass murder" or "racial genocide"(4). Have you ever asked yourself: "Why?"

    I don't expect you to immediately change your mind from beliefs you have held for a long time but I hope you will see that independent thinking shows that there are serious flaws in the SHN that have nothing to do with pro Nazi or anti Jewish sentiment.

    Unless you would like to discuss other facets of the holocaust we can end this exchange with my sincere wish that you have a safe and happy holiday season.



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED



    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (3) "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

    EXCERPT "Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps." CONTINUED


    (4) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED
     
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    You should know that the Nazis used some code to hide their criminal intentions. "Mass extermination" or "gassing" never appeared in their reports. They called it "resettlement" or "special treatment". I know that today's "revisionists" deliberately misunderstand that. After all, they want to deny the Holocaust and not confirm it.

    You probably could change my mind, but not with the old stuff of professional Holocaust deniers who failed decades ago.

    Same to you, bro. Merry Christmas and a happy new year.
    Holocaust history is one of my hobbies, so always expect me if you're denying the deliberate murder of ~6 million Jews by Nazi scumbags. :)
     
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    I object, calling my parents Scumbags! How dare you!
     
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    I don't respect racists, anti-Semites, white supremacists, and Nazis.
    I never said anything about your parents. :)
     
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    Himmler's report to Hitler about the fight against gangs.

    Item 2, gang helpers and gang suspects.
    Row c, Jews executed, last column, total: 363211

    The Nazis disguised the Holocaust as fight against crime. :(

    [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks for your kind words and holiday wishes.

    While I, too, am interested in the holocaust story, I look at it as just a small part of a much bigger picture that must be considered to better understand the true causes of WW 2 and the Holocaust.

    For example, few people know about Poland's multiple massacres of ethnic Germans in the 1930s by the Polish army,
    Russian NDVK Jews and independent Bolshevik units that caused Germany to repeatedly complain to the League of Nations before invading Poland.(1) In the year before Germany felt compelled to rescue ethnic Germans from the murderous Polish government, Germany appealed to the League of Nations no fewer than 20 times.

    First, it is important to remember the words of Winston Churchill and many others: "History is written by the victors." It is also important to remember that the Allies, like the Axis powers, used propaganda. Axis propaganda no longer exists so we are left with only the Allied version of events which includes today's residual Allied war propaganda such as the standard holocaust narrative.

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    The Nazi code was the Enigma code itself so the Nazis had no need for them to alter their true intentions or further confuse messages with an additional secret code that would have been revealed in the hundreds of tons of Nazi documents found after the war.

    While Stalin used to stay up late into the night signing execution orders, not one order for execution exists that was signed by Hitler.

    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190




    "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"
    http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland

    The 1939 Danzig Massacres

    EXCERPT "In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic
    Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who
    were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany. Many
    apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses.
    An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres
    carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.

    Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at
    least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to
    the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or
    the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the
    German invasion of Poland."CONTINUED
     
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    SIMPLE MATH VS HOLOCAUST MYTHS

    In my earlier Post # 676, I listed both multiple facts and eyewitness testimony showing that the Auschwitz morgue / "gas chamber" could never have functioned as an actual homicidal gas chamber even once without catastrophic results.

    Regrettably, thousands of tourists are deliberately deceived by employees of the museum who are simply trained to recite the fictional holocaust narrative. They are told that some 10,000 innocent people were gassed to death in a room that served several different functions but not as a homicidal gas chamber.

    It is also unfortunate that one doesn't have to look far in the fragile standard holocaust narrative to spot yet an additional deception in the case of what is called "Bunker 2" (1)
    It is claimed by orthodox historian, Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History" that this small structure containing 4 "gas chambers" had the capacity to "... kill 1,200 Jews at a time". One does not have to be a historian to conclude that this, too, is yet another mistake or deliberate deception on behalf of orthodox holocaust historian, Laurence Rees.

    I hope that at least a few independent thinking tourists noted that the 4 alleged gas chambers of this building that are each 14'x7' and could not have ever held anywhere near the highly inflated number of 1,200 Jews or non Jews without compressing about 3 unfortunate individuals into one, single square foot.

    On the other hand it is distressing & more likely that most tourists simply hear or read "1,200 Jews at a time", store it in their memory and never bother to ask themselves if what they've absorbed is true or not.

    Because of the immense number of outright lies promoted by the Holocaust Industry, it is essential to do independent research and think critically when confronted by all aspects of the standard holocaust narrative before one has any hope for arriving at the heavily repressed truth.

    The truth, after all, welcomes the sunlight of honest examination and open discussion while a lie can only survive in the darkness of repressive censorship laws.


    (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED
     
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    Ever since the near success of the "Hitler Diary" hoax in the early 1980s, I've become suspicious of unsourced, incriminating documents. It is worth studying that event just to see how extensive the industry behind fake documents and Nazi memorabilia has become.
    Official Nazi stationary, stamps, typewriters and ink were among the most valuable and widely plundered post war items sought by individuals who saw the criminal value of manufacturing false "evidence" for future profitable & deceptive use.

    Additionally, it seems naive to believe that there were no genuine criminals and violent resistance fighters on the Eastern Front so, except for the suspiciously high numbers, why not simply accept the document at face value?
    Yes, the Nazis murdered innocent people just as the Soviets did.

    Finally, this document, real or contrived, contains inconsistencies that need to be clarified.
    For example, how is it possible to execute more people than were captured and where are the enormous number of bodies buried as very few mass graves have been uncovered? (1)

    Thanks,




    (1) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00

    REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
     
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    Why do you think that so few were captured?
    It's estimated that the Nazis murdered around 1.5 million civilians in the conquered eastern territories.

    It's called "Holocaust by Bullets". 1744 killing sites were found until today.
    Here is a map that shows this. --> https://yahadmap.org/en/#map/
    Please do not scare. The Nazis were hideous, murderous beasts!
     
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    Adolph Hitler announces the Holocaust ...

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Egdw0bcSJBoV/

    Hitler's speech at the Reichstag on January 30, 1939:

    At 0:18 he said:
    "I want to be a prophet again today: If international financial Jewry in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the peoples into another world war, then the result would not be the Bolshevization of the earth and thus the victory of Judaism, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

    Nevertheless, some "revisionists" still claim that Hitler did not place an order or that he knew anything at all. :(
     
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    It is also estimated that Genrikh Yagoda(1) is responsible for the deaths of 10 million people in the same area so without detailed examination, there's no way to tell which graves contain the victims of the equally ruthless Yagota's, which are simply WW 2 casualties or which are alleged victims of the Nazis without exhumation.

    Since so many lies perpetrated by the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry about 6 million Jews being executed by gassings etc have been debunked, this "Holocaust by Bullets" is simply another fraudulent joint effort by Hollywood and the Holocaust Industry to deceive and or entertain the general public with yet another grisly horror story.

    You are aware, I hope, that Hollywood has worked closely with the Holocaust industry since Hollywood director & film maker, Billy Wilder helped promote the infamous "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads etc hoax.

    This "Holocaust by Bullets" is just another fictitious and sensational Hollywood production.

    Please note:

    EXCERPT "The people claiming to have discovered the “mass graves” have not, in reality, carried out any excavations, hence no inventory of remains, no verification, forensic studies or physical or material certifications of the standard, compulsory kind made in the inquest following the discovery, anywhere, of even a single corpse or skeleton. No police or justice official has been to any of the sites to do any examination whatsoever. Credence will have to be lent to the statements of representatives of two Jewish associations who presume to tell us that if those procedures, albeit normal and routine ones, haven’t been followed, it’s because the Jewish religion forbids such “desecration” of Jewish bodies!"CONTINUED(2)

    I know that whenever movie makers come to the area where I live, everyone want's to be part of the show. I don't suppose that Ukrainian villagers are any different in wanting to be part of the show and are eager to drag members of the Hollywood - Holocaust movie makers to any site and claim that it is another Nazi orchestrated "mass grave" that contains either nothing or bodies from a different era. Of course members of this additional Hollywood - Holocaust Industry fraud are eager to believe anything that they are told that supports the fictitious Holocaust narrative.

    It is also a myth that Jewish graves can never be disturbed. The Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium simply knows that nothing will be found and is afraid, as always, of hard evidence refuting their hoax.

    Please note:
    EXCERPT "In 2010 a whole area of the former Sachsenhausen sub-camp Lieberose near Jamlitz was dug up, looking for the graves of 753 Jews allegedly murdered there. A Rabbi was present, giving his blessings to the excavations. The whole site was turned upside-down, no regards for any burial laws, but nothing found.[19] This shows that when it is expected that the diggings will be successful, graves found, Jewish laws are bypassed, the law only enforced in places were it is known that no graves exist."CONTINUED (3)

    The following web site (4) explains that Jewish graves may indeed be exhumed and explains the many circumstances in which it can be done with fear of grave robbers being just one.

    Of course this Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium would rather focus on fictitious & cherry picked horror stories from exited Ukrainian villagers eager to be on TV since it is entirely unable, unwilling & even fearful of relying on hard evidence.





    (1) "Stalin's Jews"
    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people." CONTINUED


    (2) "Father Patrick Desbois is one hell of a prankster"
    Robert FAURISSON
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=7362



    (3) ''Jewish law prevents opening mass graves' debunked'
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6477&p=46441


    (4) "Disinterment"
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/disinterment
     
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    A hypothetical prediction by Hitler in one of his many speeches is not a written order for the extermination of Europe's Jews.

    If Hitler and the German High Command wanted to destroy all Jews, why did 150,000 Jews & mixed Jews serve in Germany's military with many Jews rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest military honors (1)?

    Why were there even Jews & mixed Jews as members of the Nazi party? (2)

    Why did Hitler write and share birthday celebrations with little, Jewish Rosa Nienau?

    Finally, it is not just revisionist historians who note the fact that no order for the extermination of Europe's Jews exists but even honest mainstream historians like Walter Laqueur confirm the same fact.

    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190






    (1) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (2) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (3)"Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941


    EXCERPT "Hitler continued the friendship despite knowing her Jewish heritage

    But this did not dissuade Hitler from carrying on his friendship with girl, to whom he had sent a signed copy of the photograph.

    "The dear and [considerate?] Rosa Nienau Adolf Hitler Munich, the 16th June 1933," he wrote.

    Rosa, it appears, later added her own stamp to the photo, drawing flowers onto the black-and-white image.

    She would write to Hitler and his aide Wilhelm Bruckner on at least 17 occasions between 1935 and 1938, until she and her mother, a widow, were told to cut off contact by the Nazi leader's private secretary, Martin Bormann."CONTINUED
     
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    He was a former Bolshevik officer like Vladimir Pootin. He murdered 12,000–25,000 people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
    If you want to say that the mass graves of the Holocaust by Bullets victims were created by communists, I can reassure you. The research team also carried out ballistic investigations and found hundreds of cases of German rifle cartridges at every killing site.

    Why do you say that? Don't let your own Holocaust denial reflex fool you!
     
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    The "Fuhrer" verbally ordered the Holocaust. With regard to the Jewish population in the conquered eastern territories, he told his friend Himmler to kill them as they were partisans or other gang members.

    This lie was necessary to fool the shooters into executing a death penalty for convicted criminals. But the truth was: the victims were civilians who had done nothing other than being Jewish. :(
     
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    This recent Hollywood - Holocaust Industry joint fraud, "Holocaust by Bullets" is simply another desperate and dishonest attempt to defend the fictitious standard holocaust narrative since not one single homicidal gas chamber and only very few, small mass graves have been found around the Nazi camps.(1)

    As early as the infamous human skin lampshade, human fat soap, shrunken head hoax, the fraudulent Holocaust Industry has attempted to deceive people with myths about homicidal steam chambers, electrocution chambers the "Conveyor Belt of Death"(2) and countless other ridiculous claims that have proven to be complete lies. This "Holocaust by Bullets" is just another in an ongoing series of countless frauds perpetrated by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium.
    I say this because of previous hoaxes and the simple fact that not one single "mass grave" has been examined:

    EXCERPT "The people claiming to have discovered the “mass graves” have not, in reality, carried out any excavations, hence no inventory of remains, no verification, forensic studies or physical or material certifications of the standard, compulsory kind made in the inquest following the discovery, anywhere, of even a single corpse or skeleton. No police or justice official has been to any of the sites to do any examination whatsoever. Credence will have to be lent to the statements of representatives of two Jewish associations who presume to tell us that if those procedures, albeit normal and routine ones, haven’t been followed, it’s because the Jewish religion forbids such “desecration” of Jewish bodies!"CONTINUED

    Yes, Hollywood producers and Holocaust hoaxers have worked closely together since director, film maker, Billy Wilder's direction of holocaust propaganda films (the human skin lampshade etc hoax)(3). Stephen Spielberg etc have taken up perpetuating holocaust myths where Billy Wilder etc left off and "Holocaust by Bullets" is just another fraudulent Hollywood myth since earlier myths have been debunked.

    As I noted earlier, not one of the alleged mass graves have been examined in detail and spent German cartridge cases prove nothing since the Soviets were provided with massive amounts of German weaponry during the several German - Soviet Commercial Agreements which began in 1922 & continued until 1941.
    Additionally, many Soviet soldiers preferred the more smooth functioning German small arms (i.e Mauser 98k) to their more complex Soviet made SVT-38 & SVT-40 semi-auto rifles or the crude Mosin-Nagant rifles they were issued.
    It is also just as likely that German cartridge cases were planted at the alleged mass graves by the same Holocaust industry that has been caught perpetuating many deliberate frauds to deceive the general public.

    Re:
    I think that I have shown over the previous pages that my sentiments are based not on pro Nazism or anti Semitism but on historical realities, common sense, hard evidence and credible eyewitness accounts known by me, personally and not a "Holocaust denial reflex". I hope that anyone looking at the holocaust story would do the same rather than being deceived by a Hollywood- Holocaust Industry fueled MSM and infected by regional "Groupthink".




    (1) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED




    (2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"

    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (3) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


    (4) German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)
    EXCERPT "Soviet Union also received oil and electric equipment, locomotives, turbines, generators, diesel engines, ships, machine-tools and samples of Germany artillery, tanks, explosives, chemical-warfare equipment and other items."CONTINUED


     
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    With this statement, you're once again proving that you are a Holocaust denier, dear friend. I trust you when you say you're neither anti-Semite nor neo-Nazi.

    But for some reason you won't tell me, you are deliberately denying the Holocaust!

    You're wrong. There are still many eyewitnesses who have seen the Nazi mobile killing squads picking up Jews and Communists from the villages. Then they marched into the woods, where the victims were forced to dig their own mass graves and then they were shot.

    Moreover, the killers themselves documented their heinous crimes. Many of these reports still exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_reports

    https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-human-behavior/einsatzgruppen-report
     
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    History had shown through the ages why man has slaughtered his human brother. He has always had an excuse, criminal and unethical though it may have been. He has killed to take his brother's property, his wife, his throne, his position; he has slain out of jealousy, revenge, passion, lust, and cannibalism. He has murdered as a monarch, a slave owner, a madman, a robber.

    But it was left to the twentieth century to produce so extraordinary a killing that even a new word had to be created to define it.
     
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    Well, my friend, I appreciate your trust and can assure you that your trust that I am neither an anti Semite nor a neo Nazi is well placed as I have already shown numerous examples why any independent thinking, educated and rational person would dismiss its myths based on physical evidence, common sense and hard facts alone. (i.e. Post# 676)

    I reject the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) for the same reasons that I reject the notion that the earth is flat. It's simply not physically possible or rational to think that the earth is half of a sphere traveling through space when the rest of the planets are spheres.
    Unlike the flat earth proponents, the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1) exploits the holocaust to extract $ Billions and use as a cudgel against anyone who criticizes Israeli criminality

    I feel that the term "Holocaust denier" is an intellectually dishonest and frequently misapplied epithet that presumes that the holocaust happened precisely as the fraudulent, profit seeking Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium claims when the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) has already shown to be replete with physical impossibilities, perjured testimony & outright hoaxes beginning with the human skin lampshade, human fat soap & shrunken head exhibit directed by Hollywood's Billy Wilder.

    Now that it has been largely shown that 6 million Jews could not have been gassed, steamed, electrocuted, cremated and/or buried anywhere near any of the Nazi run camps, the Holocaust Industry has changed the focus of its fictional narrative from "death camps" to non existent "mass graves" scattered around Russia in "Holocaust by Bullets".
    Anyone should be suspicious of an entity that keeps changing the focus of its narrative after previous narratives have been debunked

    I've already cited twice that:
    EXCERPT "The people claiming to have discovered the “mass graves” have not, in reality, carried out any excavations, hence no inventory of remains, no verification, forensic studies or physical or material certifications of the standard, compulsory kind made in the inquest following the discovery, anywhere, of even a single corpse or skeleton. No police or justice official has been to any of the sites to do any examination whatsoever. Credence will have to be lent to the statements of representatives of two Jewish associations who presume to tell us that if those procedures, albeit normal and routine ones, haven’t been followed, it’s because the Jewish religion forbids such “desecration” of Jewish bodies!"CONTINUED

    I've also shown that Jewish law, in fact, does allow for bodies to be exhumed but because the hoax-masters know that nothing or little will be found, they falsely claim that Jewish law prohibits exhumation. All that holocaust hoaxers have to support the alleged mass graves in "Holocaust by Bullets" is hearsay by excited and fame hungry Russian peasants along with some rifle cases that could have come from anywhere or anyone(2).
    Not one mass grave has been examined to see who the victims were.

    I don't doubt that there are millions of graves and many mass graves scattered around western Russia but without the examination that the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium prohibits, they could be the graves of anyone dating back to before Napoleon fatal invasion of Russia.
    I'm not claiming that the Nazis did not execute spies, resistance fighters and even innocent civilians. I simply believe that the number of casualties have, again, been vastly inflated

    Thanks,



    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (2) German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)
    EXCERPT "Soviet Union also received oil and electric equipment, locomotives, turbines, generators, diesel engines, ships, machine-tools and samples of Germany artillery, tanks, explosives, chemical-warfare equipment and other items."CONTINUED
     
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    As I noted earlier, Hitler could not have verbally ordered the extermination of Europe's Jews because Jews comprised members of both the Nazi party and Germany's military forces.

    How would those hearing Hitler's verbal orders know specifically which Jews to kill, when to kill them, where to kill them & how to kill them?

    What do you think would have happened to the person who killed Hitler's little Jewish friend, Rosa Nienau or any one of the other high ranking and highly honored Jews that rose to the rank of General or Admiral?

    Why were / are there so many holocaust survivors?

    Why would Jewish mainstream historian, Walter Laqueur, assert:

    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190

    If Hitler intended to exterminate all of Germany's Jews, there would have to have been a specific order stating which Jews and when, how and where they were to be executed.

    An execution order from Hitler to kill any Jewish individuals would have looked much like Stalin's many written execution orders(1) that do exist.

    Thanks,



    (1) "Released at last: the Katyn execution order signed by Stalin"
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...execution-order-signed-by-stalin-1957315.html
    EXCERPT "Russia made public for the first time yesterday documents relating to the 1940 execution of 22,000 Polish officers by the Soviet NKVD secret police, including an order signed by dictator Joseph Stalin." CONTINUED


     

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