About the Holocaust

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Nice conspiracy theory, got any evidence to support such a claim? How would they keep such a thing secret? Especially since no one has yet been able to find any remarkable mass murder by the germans, by americans and brits, well thats another story altogether as we have proven several times in this thread!
     
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    I already listed the reasons of how Churchill, Eisenhower and de Gaulle would have known about a Nazi genocidal agenda and large scale mass gassing project if either had existed through their network of spies, reports from resistance leaders, arial reconnaissance, reports from discharged inmates and Eisenhower's own visual inspections of the camps.

    Don't you think that Eisenhower who is on record as hating the Germans would have mentioned a genocidal agenda and/or a mass gassing project if either had existed?

    Raul Hilberg, who is just another Holocaust Industry propagandist, can hardly be considered an independent and credible source. A more credible and independent source would be the World Almanac(1) which draws from Jewish sources and illustrates that the world's Jewish population actually grew during the 1930s - 1940s


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    There were no large scale gassings in any of the German run camps and if nearly one million people had been gassed at Birkenau, there is no way that any mass murder on that huge scale could have been kept secret.
    The graves at Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz only contain a tiny fraction of the claimed number of people killed and intercepted radio transmissions reported executions by hanging and shooting but make no mention of executions by gassing. Why mention execution by hanging and shooting but not mention execution by gassing?

    EXCERPT "
    • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!

    • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.

    • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED(2)


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    First, if the health of Jewish inmates was of no concern, why were there hospitals and dental clinics to treat them?
    Dr. Munch's testimony that the alleged gas chamber could be emptied after 3 - 5 minutes is clear proof that he is lying.

    Homicidal Nazi gas chambers are simply a product of Allied propaganda(3) similar to the human skin lampshades, human fat soap and other blatant propaganda myths used by the Allies to demonize the Germans.

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    What proof do you have of this assertion?
    Why do you suppose that the Soviets refused to release the Auschwitz death ledger for 45 years? Could it be because that the ledger shows that only about 69,000 people died at Auschwitz of all causes.

    Why do holocaustians claim that the holocaust is one of the most thoroughly documented events in history but when a document refutes their cult beliefs, they claim that it is inaccurate?


    (1) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED


    (2)“The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/


    (3)“Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    Even in the aftermath of World War Two the U.S. and Britain recognized that it needed Germany as a bulwark against possible Soviet expansion into Central Europe. So there was a strong incentive not to dwell on Germany's horrific crimes during the war that would've made any kind of alliance difficult.
     
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    btw, how do you explain the alleged death march while riding trains?




    how do you explain 8000 prisoners being left behind, since your conspiracy claims they murdered all the sick?

    how do you explain the huge hospitals at the camps?
     
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    What horrific crimes?
    You dont think it odd that no one can produce evidence of such crimes?
     
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    There are plenty of Jews who survived who were witnesses. Why don't you accept that as evidence?

    Why don't you accept the admissions of Nazi insiders like Speer and von Braun as evidence?

    What would you actually accept as evidence to prove the Holocaust occurred?
     
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    Their Lying leader

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    SOME EVENTS TAKE PLACE BUT ARE NOT TRUE, OTHER EVENTS ARE [true], ALTHOUGH THEY NEVER OCCURRED
    ~J-W Elie the Weasel

    But Elie you low down no good for **** weasel, "THAT MEANS YOU ARE TELLING LIES!" ~Rabbi


    Because there is big payoff for anyone who advertises for the trillion dollar the holohoax industry.

    Gas Chamber Survivors testimony,

    Narrator: But thats not the truth.

    "I KNOW I LIED,
    BUT IN MY IMAGINATION IT WAS TRUE"



    Do you hold the same opinion?



    They were either beaten to half to death or paid off with money or sweet deals.

    The bigger question is why do you toss all the hard material as in scientic evidence in the trash and accept admitted liars as the truth?
     
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    Why do you ignore these witness's?


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    Here is a nice Jewish man telling the truth, they served beer at auschwitz in the cantina!





    Why do you ignore this witness?



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    Why do you ignore this witness?


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    There is no scientific "evidence" that the HOLOCAUST never happened.

    Who has gotten a trillion dollars off of Holocaust claims? Multiple Citations needed from unbiased sources.

    Prove that Speer and/or von Braun were "beaten half to death" or "paid off". Multiple Citations needed from unbiased sources.
     
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    you mean the myth that 6 million J-Ws were gassed by ebo uncle adolph? That holocaust?

    To prove its true however you need proof, no proof, not true.

    oh yeh, there is no scientific evidence it did happen, well in the imaginations of certain J-Ws it did, but then they have 'fantastic' imaginations.

    Lucrative jobs instead of the gallows.
     
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    Spears was in prison for decades.
     
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    why dont you accept admissions of US Officials and the allies?

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    After Dresden, Joseph Goebbels angrily urged Hitler to retaliate by abrogating the Geneva Convention. However, Hitler and his military staff continued to abide by the Geneva Convention throughout the war. As a result, Goodrich states that almost 99% of Allied prisoners of war survived the war to return home. Goodrich, Thomas, The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947, Sheridan, CO: Aberdeen Books, 2010, p. 127.


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    thats a really dumb questions since throughout this thread from about page 45 forward I have posted post after post of 'evidence I accept'.

    If its not clear to you, independent scientificaly derived evidence. Got any? All I see from your team is J-W contrived conspiracy theories.

    What would it take for you to accept scientifically derived evidence and official historic records contrary to the holocaust lie?
     
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    Actual evidence from unbiased sources and not some mindless drivel anti Semites pounded out on the internet.
     
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    Special pleading fallacy

    what part of the mindless J-W holocaust drivel is unbiased? Post citations and evidence from your unbiased sources.
     
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    I think we can agree that there is nothing about the holocaust (why do you use the term "J-W" anyway) that could be considered unbiased.

    But I'm going with the totality of 20th century global history. No credible history denies the Nazi perpetrated Holocaust. It is the equivalent of denying that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West.
     
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    that all lives in your biased imagination, you have posted nothing we can agree on.

    Naked statement fallacy.
    ad populum fallacy
    there are about 3 more fallacies that apply
    You have not posted one citation, you have not answerd either of my questions, I did answer yours, are you in a debate or just standing on a soapbox beer farting and belching?
     
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    I think some citations are in order defining exactly what is and what is not "credible history. Tell us where we can find your alleged 'credible history repository'.
     
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    If I post links to sites that provide evidence of the Holocaust will you agree beforehand to change your beliefs about the Holocaust entirely?

    If not then why should I bother with you? A holocaust denier who shouldn't be allowed to post here or anywhere else.
     
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    I don't think that anyone here denies that what has relatively recently come to be known as "THE Holocaust®" happened in that some Communists, Jews, Bolsheviks, Roma, Gays etc were incarcerated in work camps along with rapists, murderers, pedophiles and other criminals or threats to the state, real or perceived.

    What most independent thinking people around the world do not believe are the grossly inflated casualty numbers and fraudulent embellishments that are now the current holocaust narrative such as the "6 million Jews murdered" canard, the homicidal gas chamber hoax and similar fabricated narratives that slander the Germans as sadistic monsters when they were certainly no more brutal if as brutal as the Allies.

    One does not have to be overly fair minded to recognize the fact that both sides used propaganda. The only difference is that German/Nazi WW2 propaganda ended at the end of the war while residual, WW2, Allied propaganda has stuck in many Western minds and continues to comprise much of what many Westerners consider "WW2 history".

    Bit by bit, Holocaust Industry - Allied WW2 propaganda lies about "human skin pocketbooks", "human fat soap", the "Electrical Conveyor belt of death", the "Human Vaporizer"(1), German responsibility for the Katyn massacre etc have fallen by the wayside but especially stubborn Holocaust Industry and Allied propaganda lies about "6 million Jews murdered", "homicidal gas chambers" etc continue to sully MSM and stain the minds of people unwilling or unable to think critically & independently.

    So, no one here denies that the holocaust "happened", the disagreement seems to be on what really comprises "the holocaust".



    (1) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED
     
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    Sure if you are a circuit court judge and have a bar card so I know you have some minimum level of evaluative evidentiary comprehension.
    You shouldnt waste your time posting anything on the subject at all if the only thing you have to back up your claims is testimony while denying the science which proves the opposite and that it was impossible.
    Promoters for the holocaust industry like yourself should not be allowed to spam these threads with advertising for the holocaust industry and the fantastical conspiracy theories against germany.

    You do whatever rocks your world, you think you got hard material/physical evidence that proves the J-W holocaust was real be my guest, bring it.

    ...and you better be prepared to litigate it if its not incontrovertible fact. :boxing:
     
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    The holocaust is true, the J-Ws burned to a crisp millions of germans in their holocaust pyre in direct violation of the geneva convention rules. The precise definition of a holocaust genocide was carried out by the J-Ws and their proxies not the germans.
     
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    Do you have any scientific evidence that the neo atheist zio commie Jews carried out this genocide?
     

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