About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Technically, you're right. Far more innocent German civilians were murdered by Allied firebombing than Communists, Jews, Bolsheviks, Gays etc were killed by Germany's National Socialists in the 1930s - 1940s.

    Also, I remember that you've already posted the true definition & Greek origin of the word "holocaust" elsewhere in this thread.

    It is especially noteworthy in this context that war criminal Winston Churchill even specified that he was far more interested in murdering innocent German refugees by "roasting" them via the firebombing of Dresden etc than having any impact on Germany's economy or "machinery of war". Now, that was a true holocaust.

    “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.” Winston Churchill (*)

    Somehow, the clever folks at the global Holocaust Industry - Lobby who so crassly market what has commonly become known as THE Holocaust® settled on naming the event comprising the persecution of some of Europe's Communists, Roma, Bolsheviks, Jews, Gays etc as "THE Holocaust®" even though very few National Socialist victims were burned to death.

    Even though there have been many far more horrific and unnamed mass tragedies throughout history (aka holocausts), I simply recognize the term THE Holocaust as applying to the persecution of specific groups by Germany's National Socialists for the sake of clarity, simplicity & general understanding in spite of its technical inaccuracy.


    (*). "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/
     
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    Are there other sacred cows that require such draconian protections as the censorship you support & if not, why?

    The only reason that the international Holocaust Industry - Lobby is so desperate to enact undemocratic censorship laws around the world is that they know that the lies that they are perpetuating are too fragile to withstand open discussion and honest examination.

    The truth welcomes the sunlight of that same open discussion and honest examination while a lie can only survive under the darkness of repressive censorship laws.

    Professional holocaustians who attempt to promulgate the fraudulent holocaust narrative recognize how important it is to use any means to avoid "normal historical debate" and "rational argument" due to the transparent falsity of the hate filled myths they attempt to spread.

    “Care must be taken not to give a platform for deniers … or seek to disprove the deniers’ position through normal historical debate and rational argument.”

    ‘Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust’ at the Stockholm International Forum, 2000 (1)



    (1)"Holocaust Deprogramming Course"
    http://radiochristianity.com/holocaust-deprogramming-course/
     
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    I don't think that Eisenhower hated the Germans. He was of German descent himself.
    Claims that Eisenhower hated all Germans come from dubious sources. :(
     
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    "God, I hate the Germans".
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/578610

    Check any source you like but Eisenhower's hatred for the Germans is infamous.

    Don't you think that if there had actually been a genocidal agenda on behalf of the Germans or homicidal gas chambers he would have mentioned it in his post war book?
     
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    Telling the truth about what happened in Europe in the WW2 era has nothing to do with hating Jews.
     
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    You post STOOPID KIDS still in primer school, lucky if they can spell their own names to prove what? They are stoopid kids? Try an applying ounce of deductive reasoning before posting such garbage.

    Hitler was baptized Catholic, and remained Christian for the duration of his life.


    Hitler wrote neither as an atheist, nor an agnostic, nor as a believer in a remote, rationalist divinity; instead he expressed his belief in one providential, active, deity:

    "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the reproduction of our race...so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe...Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence."[24]

    Elsewhere in Mein Kampf Hitler makes it clear that "creator of the universe" and "eternal Providence" are synonyms he uses for God. He also states his belief that the Aryan race was created by God, and that it would be a sin to dilute it through racial intermixing. Hitler writes:

    "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

    Refering to God as the "Lord of Creation" and the necessity of obeying "His" will, show Hitler's Christian thinking, according to Steigmann-Gall. Elsewhere in Mein Kampf, he says, Hitler makes references to Jesus. Other sources also show Hitler's Christian thinking, according to Steigmann-Gall. He notes an unpublished manuscript where Hitler sketched out his world-view, and he gives as an example a speech on April 1922 where Hitler said that Jesus was "the true God". Finally, Steigmann-Gall gives another example where in a private Nazi meeting Hitler again stated the centrality of Jesus' teachings to the Nazi movement.

    Hitler's religious beliefs demonstrated the anti-Semitic view that Jesus was an Aryan rather than a Jew, and saw himself as acting according to what he described as "true Christianity." Hitler write:


    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.


    Hitler writes of his Christian influence on his view of Jews:

    "His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity.
     
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    thats before they realized they were victims of massive lies to extort money from them!
     
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    Of course not. Eisenhower was leader of NATO and to have any chance of preventing Soviet expansion into central Europe NATO had to have West Germany as part of it.
     
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    Odd, eli the weasel didnt mention it either until late 70's early 80's and then only to assist in the propaganda the J-Ws were using to pass laws to suppress german rights of free thought.

    It did not matter that a Rabbi busted his chops, its only about winning politcal pity for the J-Ws in their very successful war against Christianity. Until now, the 'information age'. You cant hide the J-W atrocities in the shadows anymore.

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    To your signature line, why would the Jews want Germany destroyed?
     
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    There is no single answer to that question. Hitler beat them in WW1, therefore J-Ws couldnt get their hands on the now unlawfully stolen Palestinian lands to create the J-W state, they bocotted german goods through the world, they bribed the US to come into the war, then used their ally proxies to starve the germans, and divide german lands so they could never prosper again as a result of high inflation et al. Hitler foiled thei plan and brought the starving german country from poverty back to wealth in only 2 years a feat unknown to any government in history.


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    He was the son of Albert Salomon Anselm von Rothschild. He owned a spectacular palace in Vienna, the Palais Rothschild, that housed an exquisite art collection and antiques.

    After the Anschluß of Austria to Nazi Germany in March 1938, he was arrested at the airport at Aspern[3] and taken into custody by the Nazis because he was a distinguished member of the Jewish oligarchy. He was released only after lengthy negotiations between the family and the Nazis and upon payment of $21,000,000, believed to have been the largest ransom payment in history for any individual.[4]

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    Rothschild was the leader or the pack! Hitler demanded damages. You dont demand damages from the big cheeze J-W without repercussions and revenge.

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    Firstly, Eisenhower's extensive post war book, "Crusade in Europe" was published in 1948 concurrent with the US - Soviet-British-French etc Nuremberg lynchings and had nothing to do with NATO which was founded in April of 1949. This was at a time when both the Soviets and the Western Allies cooperated in blaming Germany for the Kaytn massacre and other fraudulent atrocities.
    West Germany, too, was not founded until 1949 which was also one year after Eisenhower's book.

    Secondly, if you are interested in a substantive discussion about the topic at hand, please respond to all the evidence I've presented that shows that the standard holocaust narrative is fraudulent rather than taking just one piece out of context.

    I only mentioned Eisenhower as just one of the 3 Allied leaders who wrote post WW2 books about their wartime experiences and went on to say that neither Churchill, de Gaulle nor Eisenhower felt that what has only recently been named THE Holocaust was horrific enough to include in their extensive WW2 post war books. None of them made any mention of homicidal gas chambers or a National Socialist genocidal agenda in these three lengthy accounts of the War in Europe

    Additionally, there was no mention of a systematic and industrial extermination plan or homicidal gas chambers in any of the intercepted German radio transmissions(1) nor did the Germans have a secret code or communicate telepathically.

    - Unlike Stalin, Churchill & Eisenhower, there is no written order from Hitler for the destruction of any group of people.(2)

    - If the Nazis had been determined to wipe out all of Europe's Jews, there would not have been any Jewish members of the Nazi Party and Jewish soldiers would not have comprised 150,000 members of Hitler's orders.

    - The original and most credible 1946 Red Cross report makes no mention of homicidal gas chambers or a genocidal agenda.

    - Countless truthful Holocaust survivors make no mention of homicidal gas chambers or a genocidal agenda.(3)

    - Thousands of freed camp inmates interviewed by both the Vatican and the Red Cross made no mention of homicidal gas chambers.(4)

    - The fraudulent Holocaust Industry-Lobby has been caught in numerous outright deceptions such as altered photos, forged documents and other attempts to fool gullible individuals.(5)

    - Countless phony "Holocaust survivors" have succeeded in deceiving millions of people with grotesque fictions about German sadism and mass murder.(6)


    Thanks,



    (1). “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (3). "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

    EXCERPT "Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps." CONTINUED


    (4) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
    EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED


    (5) "Zionists Fake Holocaust Cremation Deaths Using 35 Year-Old Train Wreck Images"
    https://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/


    EXCERPT "So, it is that there is not only no evidence for it, but in fact, there is evidence fully against it, proving it to be a lie. Here is the proof of the fake, the star imagery of the dog and pony show, the supposed open-pit cremation of naked, dead Jews. There were no Jews there. This is a fake. The corpses were put in artificially. The image has nothing to do with the war or post-war period. It’s not even from Germany but rather from the United States"CONTINUED


    (6) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED
     
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    How did Hitler beat the Jews in World War 1? He was a mere corporal with no policy making role during that conflict.
     
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    true, typo sorry. That should have read germany.
     
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    Nobody said that, but usually ...
    • Holocaust deniers don't tell the truth
    • Holocaust deniers are not real Christians
    • Holocaust deniers hate Jews
     
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    Then they should give up their Christianity altogether.
    Jesus was a Jew. At least 50% of the Bible is ancient Jewish scripture.

    They should convert to Islam. Same prophets, same God, but anti-Semitism included. And also nice theories why Christianity is a false religion.
     
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    Adult Christians and the Donald himself love Israel.


    Hitler didn't remain Christian. Hitler believed in God but rejects Christianity as a Jewish religion.
     
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    citation?
     
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    is that why the jews hate christians?
     
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    Jews hate Jesus because they think he was a liar.
     
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    So he modified to suit his tastes, most people modify their professed religion to suite their tastes, I dont see a problem with that.

    Theological and doctrinal aspects


    Adherents of positive Christianity argued that traditional Christianity emphasized the passive rather than the active aspects of Christ's life, stressing his miraculous birth, his suffering, his sacrifice on the cross and other-worldly redemption. They wanted to replace this doctrine with a "positive" emphasis on Christ as an active preacher, organizer and fighter who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day. At various points in the Nazi regime, attempts were made to replace conventional Christianity with its "positive" alternative.

    > Positive Christianity differed from mainstream Christianity in that positive Christianity:

    > Rejected the Jewish-written parts of the Bible (including the entire Old Testament)

    > Claimed "Aryanhood" and non-Jewishness for Christ

    > Promoted the political objective of national unity, to overcome confessional differences, to eliminate Catholicism, and unite Protestantism into a single unitary positive Christian church[10]

    > Also encouraged followers to support the creation of an Aryan Homeland

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
     
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    It's a simple fact that telling the truth about what happened in Europe in the WW2 era has nothing to do with hating Jews.

    Please feel free to show where I or anyone else has denied that the recently named "Holocaust" happened.

    While you've chosen to slander the vast majority of people in the world(1), please show anyplace where I have:

    1. Not told the truth
    2. Have expressed unChristian views
    3. Have expressed any hatred of the Jewish people

    It has become increasingly clear that holocaustians cannot support the myths they've been led to believe, must resort to name calling and slander, desperately evade substantive debate, lack critical & independent thinking skills and are generally untruthful.

    Rather than continuing to talk about what "holocaust deniers" are or are not, please stick to the topic at hand by attempting to refute the facts I raised in my Post # 1664.





    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     

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