About the Holocaust

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  1. pitbull

    pitbull Banned Donor

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    This is one of the 1000 lies used by HC deniers. Humans are not easily flammable, but if it's hot enough (about 1120 °F), they catch fire and don't need any fuel to burn down until only the teeth are left.

    --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/158853.stm
     
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    I'm afraid you're mistaken or have been deceived about basic cremation as hotter temperatures are required and bones are left after cremation.(1)
    That's why cremulators(2) are required to crush the remaining bones into ash.
    I don't recall reading anything about cremulators in holocaust lore and there was never enough coal/coke at any of the camps to burn the number of people claimed.

    I'm a blacksmith who works with fires that are about 2,500 - 3,000 degrees F.
    I've tried to burn dead animals and the story about completely burning a pig with with "a small amount of petrol" is complete nonsense unless someone is foolish enough to believe that water burns.

    (1) "Cremation"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation
    EXCERPTS" A cremator is an industrial furnace that is able to generate temperatures of 870–980 °C (1,600–1,800 °F) to ensure disintegration of the corpse.

    Contrary to popular belief, the cremated remains are not ashes in the usual sense. After the incineration is completed, the dry bone fragments are swept out of the retort and pulverised by a machine called a Cremulator—essentially a high-capacity, high-speed blender—to process them into "ashes" or "cremated remains", although pulverisation may also be performed by hand."CONTINUED


    (2) "cremulator"
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cremulator
    "Device to grind the bone fragments that remain after cremation into fine powder."
     
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    Eichmann said the Holocaust was not a hoax.

    Himmler said the Holocaust was not a hoax.

    they both said this long before their capture or defeat.

    Holocaust denial is ignorant and stupid.
     
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    If some bones resisted burning, the Nazis used bone mills to crush them down to dust.
    Here's such a device, surrounded by slave workers of a "Sonderkommando":

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    Btw, the Sonderkommando guys were the only prisoners of a Nazi death camp who got enough food to remain strong for their hard work. Most others, if not gassed or shot, were starved to death.
     
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    Who said that the holocaust was a "hoax"?

    According to the ADL, only about 1/3 of the people who have heard of the holocaust believe the entire fraudulent holocaust narrative "6 million Jews killed in homicidal gas chambers etc"

    In other words, far more people around the world do not believe the inflated number of casualties or the exaggerated, grisly details that pale in comparison to Stalin's gulags.

    ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    Yes, I said that bones remained after cremation so why are there no bones, teeth etc at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka where bodies were also allegedly burned in pits.(1)

    From where did all the fuel come that was required to burn millions of bodies?

    If wood was used, who cut, trimmed, hauled and stacked the wood to burn the bodies?

    If millions were gassed in homicidal gas chambers, why has not one gas chamber been found?

    Why did the camps have medical and dental clinics to care for the inmates if the plan was to kill them all?

    During that horrible war, Germany simply didn't have the resources to transport, feed, shelter, execute, burn etc millions of people and, at the same time, fight a war against so many other countries.




    (1) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
     
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    Where do you even get this bullsh-t.

    They found gas chambers.
    They found ovens with bodies inside.
    They know where mass graves are.

    and on and on and on.


    They must all be in sandy Hook.
     
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    only liars claim 6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers.

    liars, frauds and deniers.

    the close to 6 million Jewish deaths was caused by gassing, shooting, starvation, cold, suffication, beating.

    no serious historian claims "6 million Jews were gassed".

    its a pathetic/ignorant/sad strawman set up by deniers, as they know its not an actual argument made by historians
     
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    You sound like you are making up an excuse by manipulating the facts.

    Nobody claims 6 million Jews were gassed.
     
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    Holocaust denier David Irving claimed that it took between 30 and 35 kilograms of coke to cremate one body. In 1993, Irving published figures of coke shipments to Auschwitz-Birkenau. He claimed that these figures were based on documents in the Moscow archives. According to Irving, the figures show that a total of 2,188 tons of coke were delivered to Auschwitz-Birkenau between 1940 and 1944. Irving suggests that this amount of coke was not enough to cremate the bodies of 900,000 Jews. Even Carlo Mattogno, an Italian Holocaust denier, was unable to verify the existence of these supposed records from the Moscow archives. Irving has still not published or released the actual documents.[3]

    Scholars have shown that the available records of the coke delivered to Auschwitz-Birkenau are incomplete. The records only run from February 16, 1942, to October 1943, with a significant gap in the middle. These records show that 497 tons of coke were delivered in 240 deliveries.[4] Without complete records, however, it is impossible to make average calculations of coke usage at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Irving’s claim lacks the critical evidence needed to support it.

    Though we don’t know the total amount of coke shipped to Auschwitz-Birkenau, we do know other important facts. Regarding the use of coke, Henryk Tauber, a member of one of the cremation Sonderkommando in Auschwitz-Birkenau, testified, “…we used the coke only to light the fire of the furnace initially, for fatty bodies burned of their own accord thanks to the combustion of the body fat. On occasion, when coke was in short supply, we would put some straw and wood in the ash bins under the muffles, and once the fat of the body began to burn the other bodies would catch light themselves.”[5] According to Tauber’s testimony, there was no direct correspondence between the amount of coke used and the number of corpses that could be burned. Once the fires were started, it did not take as much coke to burn more bodies.

    There is proof that the ovens were designed to reduce fuel usage if continuously operating. A critical piece of evidence comes from a Topf & Sons memo, dated March 11, 1943; Topf & Sons designed and manufactured the ovens used in Auschwitz-Birkenau. The memo, headed “Estimation of coke usage for Crematorium II K L,” suggested that the coke usage could be “reduced by one third” if the ovens were operating on a continuous basis.[6]

    Furthermore, we know that coke was not always used for the disposal of corpses at Auschwitz-Birkenau. For example, in late 1944, the Nazis murdered between 8,000 and 10,000 Hungarian Jews per day. This was the peak of the so-called Hungarian Action and the number of bodies requiring cremation exceeded the daily capacities of the ovens. Open-air burning pits were dug behind Crema/Gas Chamber 5 and beside a cottage (which had operated as a gas chamber prior to the four dedicated gas chambers, which started operation in 1943).


    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab7-coke-coal-cremation/
     
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    LOLOL
    and you think they did one body at a time.
    And what about the piles of thousands of bodies, waiting to be burnt or just pushed into a mass grave.
    Or were they skinny crisis actors.

    They experimented a lot.
     
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    he knows that.

    its pathetic, dishonest, sad strawman argument used by deniers.

    thats all they have.

    pathetic, dishonest and sad arguments.
     
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    In order to reach the necessary temperature for burning bodies (approximately 1200 °F), some wood was needed. But if the fire was hot enough, only more bodies used to be thrown into the flames.

    There was no need to supply more fuel or wood to keep the process alive. Only corpse after corpse. Once ignited, the fire ate them all.
     
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    its reached the point that debating whether the Holocaust happened and millions of Jews were killed by gassing, shooting, starvation, exhaustion, freezing, suffocation....is like debating if the Earth is flat or round.

    sigh..
     
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    Yes, Bro. It's always the same. Deniers of any kind claim physical impossibilities. Be it the Holocaust, the moon landing, flat earth theory, whatever ...
     
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    Lets not forget Sandy Hook, and 9/11
     
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    I think that 9/11 conspiracy stuff is #2 in the hall of shame.
    Just as Holocaust deniers hate Jews, 9/11 "truthers" hate the US.
     
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    The initial report, sixteen pages long, was submitted on March 23, 1943. On Himmler's request an abridged version, six-and-a-half pages long, was updated to March 31, 1943.[3] The full report summarized how many Jews remained in Germany, Austria and Europe; detailed the numbers of Jews detained in the Nazi concentration camps; how many Jews had died natural deaths since 1933; and how many Jews had been evacuated to the eastern territories.[1] Himmler accepted the full report on a confidential basis, but for the abridged estimate, made Korherr change the word "Sonderbehandlung" or "special treatment," to the word "durchgeschleust" or "processed."[4] The report calculated that, from 1937 to December 1942, the number of Jews in Europe had fallen by 4 million.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korherr_Report
     
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    Be careful with the numbers, Bro. HC deniers are bound to the magic number of "6 million".
    They seize every opportunity to see a contradiction and thus to deny the Holocaust.
     
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    4 million by 1942, is not a contradiction.
     
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    Not for you, but it could be for the HC denier.
     
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    Who claimed: "6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers"

    I wrote " gas chambers etc."

    Do you know what "etc" means? It makes a big difference & that's your "pathetic/ignorant/sad strawman." because I have never denied that the holocaust happened.

    You can whine & howl about those nefarious "deniers" who question some of the tenets of your holocaustian cult but if a narrative can't stand up to honest & objective examination then it deserves little credibility.

    The inability of some holocaust fanatics to discuss this topic rationally, objectively & civilly is why I dislike discussing it.
     
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    So believing that around six million Jews were killed by the Nazis makes one a cult member?

    Or a fanatic?

    That's pretty uncivil and disrespectful of you.

    Maybe you should learn to debate your opponents rather than simply insulting them
     
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    You don't have to. It's enough if you deny well-researched aspects of the HC (like the burning pits). You say that the HC did happen but technically was impossible. That's the trick.

    There are two types of HC deniers. Some are professional liars who are familiar with the Holocaust and seek to attack history. They often write books, intended to deconstruct and destroy Holocaust history. Others really believe that the Nazis weren't able to commit huge atrocities like extermination of the Jewish "race". They believe that the HC is a hoax, conceived by enemies of the Germans during WW2.
     
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    What did you raise exactly in post #136?
     

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