About the Holocaust

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  1. Ronald Hillman

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    Please show where Lloyd George states the above were mostly Jewish, try telling the truth, that is your antisemetic trope not Lloyd George!
     
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    Zionism is about self-determination of the Jewish people in the land of Israel. Anyone who thinks Jews have the right to a national home in the land of their ancestors is a Zionist in the broadest sense.

    There are several brands of Zionism, depending on who you ask:
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/a-definition-of-zionism

    Yes, Palestinians are outcasts in some Arab countries. They are the only people in known history artificially created in order to annihilate another people.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ldoze-her-home.576879/page-21#post-1071975457
     
  3. Pisa

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    This theory has been proven false long ago.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/
     
  4. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you were as informed about the subject at hand as you were desperate to slander those who debunk your nonsense, you would know that it was precisely international Jewish bankers to which Lloyd George was referring:

    "So too for Lloyd George, in whose mind Jews pulled the levers of both world banking and Bolshevism.”(1)

    The same Jewish source goes on to state Lloyd George's additional sentiments concerning the seriousness of a declaration of war by international Jewish organizations:

    "Returning the idea that Jews have vast power, he [Lloyd George] told Peel: “There are two people I would not quarrel with if I was running a State. They are both international forces.” One was “the Jews,” he said, while the other was the Catholic Church."(1)

    Lloyd George's original quote: "'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs."(2) was in reference to the draconian Treaty of Versailles which many historians believe was a significant factor in the causes of WW 2.


    (1) "Britain’s First World War PM said Jews were ‘a dangerous people to quarrel with’"
    https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.co...jews-were-a-dangerous-people-to-quarrel-with/

    (2) "
    War-Treaty of Versailles 1919."
    http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2013/02/war-treaty-of-versailles-1919.html
     
  5. MGB ROADSTER

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    Kuwaiti TV host Fajer Alsaeed said in a monologue on an August 17, 2020 episode of her show on Scope TV (Kuwait) that the Palestinians are rejecting the benefits the UAE has achieved on their behalf in its deal with Israel like they had rejected the treaty that Egyptian President Anwar Sadat had signed with Israel. She said that she hopes that the Palestinians will deal "responsibly" with the current deal between the UAE and Israel and "do away with the revolutionary spirit" that she said no longer suits this day and age.

    https://www.memri.org/tv/kuwaiti-ho...ejection-of-uae-isreal-peace-historic-mistake


    Our entire life has been shut down by a tiny virus.
    Look at the world from that perspective, not from the perspective of 70 years ago. The world has changed, but Palestinian mentality remains the same.
     
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    I wonder why radical Zionists insist on Palestinian descent of the "real Jews". This is mo'fu**ing racism, bro.
    Every Jew deserves to be respected as a Jew by his brothers. But see what happens to black Jews in so-called "Israel".
     
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    I wonder why Arabs insist on Canaanite ancestry, calling themselves the "real Palestinians".

    Never heard the term "real Jews" used by a Zionist, only by extremist anti-Zionists. No self-respecting Zionist would ever claim Palestinian descent, by the way. We call ourselves "sons of Israel", not Palestinians. We are descended from ancient Canaanite tribes, as are over 90% of modern Lebanese. Genetic studies, you know, not Soviet-inspired emotional drivel.

    I see very well what happens to black Jews in Israel (I'll ignore your rather childish "so-called "Israel""), from a front-row seat, actually. I live in Israel. There's no institutionalized racism, if that's what you meant. However, racism, or lack thereof, is irrelevant in a discussion about genetic studies on ancestry and origins, so your entire post is a big fat strawman built to avoid the real issues.
     
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    WTF?

    Palestinian villagers generally trace their family (hamula)'s origins to the Arabian peninsula. Many avow oral traditions of descent from nomadic Arab tribes that migrated to Palestine during or shortly after the Islamic conquest.
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    The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bce occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza.

    Palestine | History, People, & Religion | Britannica
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    Following the 1980 amendment to Israel's Nationality Law, Palestinians are strictly legal citizens of the State of Israel. They have "passport citizenship" rights, but are excluded from several aspects of the Jewish welfare state and are therefore denied equal "democratic citizenship".

    History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia

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    Who came first Israel or Palestine?

    Before Israel became a nation, the majority of people dwelling in the region were Palestinians—Arabs who lived in what was then known as Palestine. On May 14, 1948, Israel was officially declared a state, marking the first Jewish state in over 2,000 years.May 30, 2018


    Gaza: The History That Fuels the Conflict - HISTORY


    No its about illegal J-W statism.
    Pay attention to what point you are trying to prove, you proved nothing there.
    what Gods chosen people racist?
    Do you think it mmight be because most of them were arabs? :roll:
    there are no zionists in genetic studies
    Jewish Nationality Status as the Basis for Institutionalized Racial Discrimination in Israel

    The U.N. General Assembly resolution that declares Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination has been a controversial issue since its adoption in 1975.

    https://mepc.org/jewish-nationality-status-basis-institutionalized-racial-discrimination-israel


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    Zionists are fake Jews proven by the pic above.
     
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    Dr. Sufian Abu Zaida, a Fatah member close to Muhammad Dahlan and a former minister of prisoner affairs in the Palestinian Authority (PA), is known for his frequent criticism of PA President Mahmoud 'Abbas and in the past was even suspended from Fatah for it. In an article published August 16, 2020 on the Samanews.ps website, he harshly criticized the Palestinian response to the normalization agreement between Israel and the UAE, which took the form of curses, accusations of treason against the UAE, and the burning of the Emirati flag and pictures of Emirati leaders.

    https://www.memri.org/reports/fatah...action-israel-uae-agreement-palestinians-must

    Why are the Palestinians against Israel having peace with Arab countries ?
    Because they want to stay poor ( "Miskin" in Arabic ) and take our Europian donations forever.
     
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    I just noted that I had not responded to this Post of yours and am sorry for the delay.

    It's been almost 50 years since I lived, studied and worked in what was then W. Germany so my German is a bit rusty.

    I still don't see what "Jew hating" has to do with attempting to look at the WW 2 era as rationally, objectively and honestly as one would look at the Franco-Prussian War.

    I prefer to deal in facts no matter how politically incorrect they may be just as I am not so naive as to believe that only the "other" used or uses propaganda.
    With the expert aid of the British and the global influence of Hollywood, Allied atrocity propaganda dwarfed anything that Goebbles could create and residual Allied atrocity propaganda continues to this day

    For example, it is a fact that International Zionist / Jewish organizations around the world declared war on the "new Germany" long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews.(1)

    It is also a fact that the US Government considered violent Polish anti Semitism to be at least as equal as acts of German anti Semitism(2).

    Additionally, I don't see how the fact that Jews comprised high ranking members of the National Socialist party(3) and Hitler's military(4) is "anti Semitic". Both are also simply hard facts and in no way an indication of "Jew hatred"

    Please show where I have in any was expressed a hostility any form of "Jew hatred" simply because I reject the standard holocaust narrative.



    (1) "The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany"
    https://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/judeadeclareswar.pdf

    EXCERPT "Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime. The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement" CONTINUED


    (2) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland." CONTINUED


    (3) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (4) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    Yeahh Right :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    That's the best you can do? Snarky sarcasm and a laughing emoji?

    It has long become obvious that since holocaustians, have neither facts nor hard evidence to support the fraudulent standard holocaust narrative, their only rhetorical tools are slander, evasion and deception. You're only confirming that reality by evading an attempt at a substantive rebuttal of anything I've both written & supported.

    I am one of the growing number of individuals who realize that the Allies with the aid of Hollywood(1) had/have a WW 2 propaganda mill that dwarfs anything that Goebbles could concoct. Much of what many Westerners "know" about WW 2 and the holocaust is based on residual Allied atrocity propaganda and a fraudulent narrative fabricated by a corrupt and profit seeking Holocaust Industry(2) with its complicit MSM.

    In spite of crass attempts by the Holocaust Industry and its complicit Western MSM to deceive innocent schoolchildren and gullible MSM consumers about "homicidal gas chambers", a German genocidal agenda, "6 million Jews murdered", I am just one of the many people who do not believe these slanderous myths about the "evil" Germans and am attempting to look at WW 2 and the holocaust rationally and objectively.

    Since you are entirely unable to refute even one of my Posts, please show where I have expressed any "Jew hatred".



    (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/


    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (3) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    Yes.
    That's the Only answer to pro Islamo Arabo Jihado Holocaust deniers.
     
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    No, that's the sort of puerile response I've gotten used to from people who are entirely incapable of refuting even one of my holocaust related Posts.

    Secondly, I do not deny that the holocaust happened in that after Judea's declaration of war on Germany in 1933(1), some of the Roma, Communists, Jews, etc were incarcerated in detention or work camps very much like America's Japanese were rounded up and placed in detention camps.

    Finally, there was no German genocidal agenda(2) regarding Europe's Jewish community. For those who have been professionally deceived otherwise by the Holocaust Industry and its complicit MSM I ask why was there an outstanding Maternity Ward in which over 3,000 babies were born in a so-called "Death Camp"

    "Auschwitz maternity ward"(3)
    EXCERPT "Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.
    * Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility." CONTINUED(3)

    [​IMG]

    Do the Jewish inmates, above, look like they've been sadistically beaten, starved and tortured?

    Unfortunately, the standard holocaust narrative is one of the most outrageous, profitable and slanderous anti German conspiracy theories ever fabricated.



    (1) "Full text of "Jews Declare War On Germany 1933"
    https://archive.org/stream/JewsDecl...304/Jews declare war on Germany 1933_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT "Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime."CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (3) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
     
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    Yeahh right :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Well, this is easy enough to settle.

    Why don't you try to refute anything I've written on this or the other Holocaust related thread:

    "Evidence that the Holocaust didn't Happen"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-didnt-happen.336026/page-27#post-1072104397

    Or you can start by explaining why there were high ranking Jewish members of the National Socialist Party(1), 150,000 Jewish members of Hitler's military(2) and a maternity ward at Auschwitz if Hitler really wanted to exterminate all of Europe's Jews.

    Or, you can run away or resort to name calling like most holocaustians do when confronted with hard evidence.




    (1) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    I will not deal or have a chat with Holocaust deniers.
     
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    Nowhere have I denied that the holocaust happened nor do I know anyone who does.

    "Holocaust denier" is simply a deliberately deceptive misnomer used by holocaustian hucksters to misrepresent the views of independent thinkers who possess a degree of critical literacy.

    I like most people around the world(1) simply do not believe the grossly inflated casualty numbers and physically impossible claims mindlessly recited by brainwashed holocaustians.

    By refusing to discuss what has come to be known as "The Holocaust®", you're simply confirming the fact that those inflated numbers and impossible claims are fraudulent and indefensible.




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    Just give us a number.
    Give us a number ( not a story ) , How many people died in WW2 ?
    How many Jews were murdered and burnt by the Nazis ?
    Numbers ONLY.
     
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    I don't know why 2 adults can't simply discuss a historical event without all the melodrama, superfluous conditions and rancorous emotion.

    It's as if some people who have fallen for the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) have become fervent cult members of a religion that demands absolute and unquestioning belief even though it has the most fragile of foundations; hearsay.

    The only foundation for Holocaustinity is the least reliable form of evidence; stories(1) that are either self contradictory, physically impossible and / or disproven by hard evidence.

    The myth that about 6 million Jews and 5 million others were murdered in homicidal steam, electrocution(2) or gas chambers and other means by way of a genocidal German agenda(3) is simply slanderous, residual Allied anti German atrocity propaganda(4) generated by a fraudulent Holocaust Industry(5).

    I assume that you are aware that the Allies used/use WW 2 atrocity propaganda long after Goebbles was dead. Hollywood movie makers set up fake "Death camps" while working closely with the OSS and British to produce "Death Mills" by Billy Wilder that featured the same "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads and other long debunked Allied propaganda lies.

    You asked for numbers which no-one can provide.
    Re:
    Do you mean in the European theater, worldwide, do you include Eisenhower's(6) real Death Camps, Stalin's gulags? Additionally, not all historians agree on when WW 2 started so I cannot give you a number for how many people died in WW 2 without more specifics.

    Re:
    Here, too, historians' estimates vary from an impossible 6 million to a more realistic 280,000 deaths from all causes. It is worth noting that Arno Mayer claims that more people died from natural causes and disease than by execution.

    For the most reliable figures on Jewish deaths it seems most sensible to rely on Jewish sources which report that the world's Jewish population grew by almost 4 million during the war years:

    "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED


    At any rate, there is absolutely no hard evidence to support the myth that about 6 million Jews were murdered in homicidal steam, electrocution or gas chambers beginning with aerial photography(7). Nowhere have there been mass graves found that are commensurate with the myth that about 11 people were murdered. In fact, at Treblinka, 2 groups of researchers found no mass graves at all(8)


    Thanks,


    (1) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED



    (2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (3) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (4) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    (5) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (6) “Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/


    EXCERPT “The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED


    (7) Air Photo Evidence
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

    The Bottom Line

    EXCERPT "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed."CONTINUED


    (8) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED
     
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    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    I asked for numbers... and you gave the true face that hides behind Holocaust deniers.
    An Israeli Arab once told me "Even if One Jew was murdered by the Nazis, i respect their memorial day".
    The Nazi followers Holocaust deniers are the filth of this world.
     
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    I gave you numbers and irrefutable facts in a civil and respectful Post but like most fanatic holocaustians, all you've got are insulting tantrums and an absolute inability to face the honest truth.

    Have you already forgotten that there were many Jews who were both Nazis(1) and part of Hitler's military(2).

    You like numbers so much, how many Jews & non Jews did they kill?


    (1) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED



    (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    I will not deal or have a chat with Holocaust deniers.
    Byeeeeee
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, please show where I have denied that the holocaust happened.

    The term "Holocaust denier" is a deliberately deceptive and meaningless misnomer used by professionally brainwashed holocaustian cultists to misrepresent the views of independent thinking people who reject the physically impossible stories contrived by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry.(1), (2)

    It's an irrefutable fact that the Holocaust Industry is willing to lie to cheat deserving holocaust survivors and the German government so why would anyone be so gullible as to believe the totally irrational and physically impossible SHN (standard holocaust narrative)?

    There was no genocidal order from Hitler to destroy Europe's Jewish community(3) as the world's Jewish community grew by almost 4 million during the war years(4). This would not have been possible if 6 million Jews had been murdered. Additionally, mainstream historian, Arno Mayer admits that more Jews died of natural causes than were executed.

    Finally, you have not explained how Auschwitz etc could have been "Death camps" if Auschwitz had a sophisticated hospital including a maternity ward in which 3,000 babies were born without one birth death:

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

    "Auschwitz maternity ward"

    EXCERPT "Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.
    * Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility." CONTINUED(3)


    Do these female inmates of Auschwitz look like they've been beaten, starved and worked to death?




    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”
    ”CONTINUED


    (3) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (4) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
     
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    I don't understand why someone would chose to participate in a debate forum yet refuse to debate a topic unless their own position on that topic is indefensible.

    Since you cannot refute the innumerable facts that prove the standard holocaust narrative to be fraudulent, it may be time to reconsider what is no more than modern history's most fragile, egregious yet profitable conspiracy theory.
     

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