I think we can agree that the human body is about 75% water so does it really make sense that throwing more water (i.e. bodies) on a fire is going to make it burn hotter? This is the sort of unsupported holocaust "logic" that causes the majority of people who have heard of the holocaust to reject the pseudo-science, inflated claims & impossible numbers that comprise its narrative. You are aware that far more people around the world do not believe the standard holocaust narrative than believe it according to an ADL study I've already cited?
No, you are welcome to believe that 6 billion Jews were killed by the Nazis. I don't care. It's gullible, narrow minded & pompous individuals who are obsessed with the holocaust who try to smother debate with mean spirited name calling and artificial labels like "holocaust denier", "liars" etc who are fanatics. Only bigots believe that the holocaust is somehow more profound & tragic than other mass killings because some of the victims were Jewish. The holocaust was just a small facet of a much greater tragedy in which countless individuals suffered horrific deaths. My contention is simply that all lives are equal and all suffering is equally tragic so it's long past time that Hollywood & MSM focus on the savage machinations of Genrikh Yagoda, for example & his 10 million victims so that people get a less myopic & broader picture of man's inhumanity to man.
Firstly, I thanked "pitbull" for his ability to discuss this volatile issue without the usual name calling & hysteria demonstrated by many who subscribe to the standard, fraudulent holocaust narrative. I cited specific points that make aspects of holocaust narrative impossible and finally referred to the following challenge: "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00 REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED -------------------------------------------------------------- I don't doubt that the holocaust happened, I simply resent that many aspects of it have been fraudulently inflated, crassly exploited for political & financial means at the expense of other equal or greater mass killings. What Norman Finkelstein calls "The Holocaust Industry" exposes what has become a fraudulent(1), multi billion dollar disinformation entity that relies deception & "groupthink" to promote the bigoted notion that the holocaust was somehow more tragic because Jewish individuals comprised many of its victims. My contention is simply that all lives are equally valuable yet, somehow the holocaust has managed via Hollywood & MSM to eclipse other equal & greater mass killings. (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
Re: Really? Who says there are only 2 types of holocaust deniers when there are billions more people throughout the world who have not been indoctrinated with government mandated holocaust GroupThink and simply look at all the evidence, objectively with an open mind. The fact that water filled human bodies do not burn without out at least 4 times their weight in fuel & leave bones that have yet to be found(1) has nothing to do with hating Jews. It's a simple scientific fact that is confirmed by people who burn bodies for a living in the cremation business. Why can't any of the thousands of holocaust scholars refute the $100,000 "Holocaust Archeology Hoax" If "millions" of people were gassed in homicidal gas chambers, why doesn't one, single German WW 2 era gas chamber exist that is comparable to others of the era? A few years ago, what Norman Finkelstein calls "The Holocaust Industry" used their " research" to conclude that the Nazis made human fat soap, human skin lampshades, shrunken heads etc & killed people with steam chambers, electrified conveyor belts & countless other contraptions & "evidence" that was later proven to be fraudulent. The same self appointed holocaust "scholars" blamed the Germans for the Katyn Massacre only to find out later that the Soviets were responsible. Much to the disappointment of the Holocaust Industry, these and other frauds & follies were only exposed because open minded people asked questions & refused to be a victim of government mandated holocaust GroupThink. Perhaps the strongest evidence that the standard holocaust narrative is fraudulent is the fact that it requires laws that prohibit its open & honest discussion. What is the Holocaust Industry that pushed for these laws afraid of? The Truth welcomes honest examination & open, civil discussion. A Lie, on the other hand must have government mandated censorship to survive (1) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00 REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
Denying the Holocaust is beyond despicable. Many people in Modern World do not understand the tragedy since they are constantly exposed to Horror films.
History had many excesses, but Holocaust has no historical parallel. Overall, Nazis killed about 20 million noncombatants including 6 million Jews. Joseph Stalin's penal politics is responsible for deaths of about 4 million people: -- 700,000 executed -- 1.4 million died in Gulag -- 2 million died in exile
You didn't give a source but I can promise you'll get a different casualty number for everything you listed depending on who you ask. Additionally, there were numerous non German Nazis some of which were even Jewish(1) just as there were about 2 million non German members of Germany's WW2 military(2) that included Frenchmen, Spaniards, Asians, Slavs, Arabs, Blacks etc so for whatever crimes the Germans committed, they had lots of eager & willing international help Then, there are the mass killings of which few are aware such as those committed by Genrikh Yagota(3) & Leonid Reichman so that by the time you figure in the 40 -75 million murdered by Mao, the holocaust pales by comparison. The sad reality is that ethnic cleansing continues, today so in spite of so much carnage, little has been learned (1) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED (2) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102 EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis. The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did."CONTINUED (3) "Stalin's Jews" "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish" https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people."CONTINUED
Most countries in the world don't have such laws. Only 12 or 13 European states forbid spreading lies about the NS era. All of these states suffered much from Nazi terror. It's not about an industry. The majority of European people has a strong aversion to fascism. Promotion of Nazi ideology and denial of Nazi crimes is also an affront to the descendants of the victims (not just Jews).
Firstly, I want to make it clear that by questioning the standard holocaust narrative, I do not in any way support National Socialism - Nazism. From what I know of the German people by living, working & studying in Germany, I simply do not think that Germans are capable of cruelty or sadism any more than any other people. I still believe that if the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) were true, it wouldn't need laws to protect it. The truth can stand on its own & only a factually flawed narrative needs laws to protect it. I mentioned Norman Finkelstein's book "The Holocaust Industry" only to show how commercialized, exaggerated & exploited the holocaust has become(1). Finkelstein lost his job and was denied tenure simply for telling the truth about a corrupt, greedy & dishonest "Industry" that exaggerates the holocaust for profit & persecutes those who expose the falsehoods in the SHN. The book may not be available in Germany because of its content. (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
Okay bro, then you believe in a conspiracy, similar to "The Jews fabricated the HC hoax to fight the Germans" I'm sorry, but this theory is pure anti-Semitism. But don't be sad. I'm also often called anti-Semite because I like to discuss the crimes of the Israeli "state". You're right. Germans aren't worse than other people. But they're prone to lying propaganda like any other people as well. The Nazis told them that Jews are a dangerous anti-race, so they must destroy them, otherwise they'll be destroyed by the Jews. This is crazy bullshit but the Germans was told so.
Communist mass killing did happen -- about 4 million people in USSR and 5 million in Mao's China. Western sources greatly exaggerate these numbers. Nazism has no historical parallel.
No, I don't believe that: "The Jews fabricated the HC hoax to fight the Germans" because that's a generalization about all Jews & I don't believe that the entire holocaust story is a hoax. I've listened to Jews who contradict the standard holocaust narrative and admit that a few unethical Jews have inflated & exploited the holocaust for political & financial gain. Every time I cite a fact or ask a question that debunks the standard holocaust narrative, the stock responses are always: "you're an anti Semite" or "that's a conspiracy theory" but my facts still stand and questions remain unanswered. I, too, am critical of Israeli ethnic cleansing (2) & especially America's funding & unconditional support of any & every atrocity, war crime or act of aggression. One of my questions to Zionists is something like: "If the holocaust was as horrific as we've been told. how could Israel's Jewish population be so cruel & supportive of ethnic cleansing?". Anyone familiar with the atrocities committed at Deir Yassin by Zionist terrorist Gangs would have to wonder, what happened to the "lessons of the holocaust?" (1) "Seventeen Charged With Holocaust Fraud" https://www.thedailybeast.com/seventeen-charged-with-holocaust-fraud (2) “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html
The photo below shows a real Gaskammer (German word for gas chamber) in the Dachau concentration camp. Note the word “Gaszeit” (German for Gas time) on the door into the Gaskammer. However, only selected individuals were sent to gas chambers and they were too old or sick to work or disabled. The majority of inmates died of contagious diseases such as typhus. The overall conditions of camp life ensured that many people fell sick from the very first months, and their numbers rose steadily over time. 1942-1943 was a period of raging epidemics, and especially typhus, which claimed the greatest number of lives (15,000 per month on average.) In the Bergen-Belsen camp, 35,000 prisoners died of typhus in only two months. Half of all the deaths in the Dachau concentration camp were the result of a typhus epidemic in the last six months of the war. Gas chambers, conveniently located to the crematory, are examined by a soldier of the U.S. Seventh Army.
What's to stop the Russians or the Iraqis or the Congolese or the Chinese or the Cambodians or the Armenians from instituting a remembrance day for their losses in past wars? In our culture we give a lot of attention to the holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis because of our historical closeness to Europe and to Jewish people, and there is the fact that we fought in that war. Hard to believe that only about 80 years ago, a segment of our European relatives were carrying out an official government policy of genocide against a religious segment of their own people and those they conquered.
You're right in that more camp inmates died of typhus & related diseases than from execution. Typhus on related deaths were especially heavy toward the end of the war as the Allies bombed the railways and other means by which the Germans & Red Cross could deliver food & medicine. Typhus was so rampant at Bergen-Belsen that 14,000 inmates died of it after being liberated by the British. I'm afraid that the photo you featured is of a defumigation chamber that were common in camps run by all countries. Defumigation chambers were used to treat mattresses, clothes etc for lice. The door in the photograph has since been repainted and properly labeled as a defumigation chamber. To this day, a real homicidal gas chamber & the extensive HVAC systems they require has yet to be found.
Would you please provide a source to support your assertions. You seemed unaware of Genrikh Yagota, Salomon Morel & other genocidal butchers so it would seem that there are other mass killings of which you are unaware that equal or surpass the holocaust death toll.
This is what the area over the door in your photograph looks like today: "Is there any proof that gas chambers existed in the Nazi camps?" https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/is-there-any-proof-that-gas-chambers-existed-in-the-nazi-camps/
utter bullshit. You cannot honestly claim that 15,000 Jews died every month in any Nazi camps. not one Jew should have been in that camp. not one!!! any civilian death that occured in a concentration camp, be it from starvation, illness, beating, shooting, gassing, was an act of genocide.
When Auschwitz was liberated, 500 inmates per day kept dying from epidemic diseases. Assuming that this figure is the average, it adds up to 15,000 per month or 180,000 per annum per concentration camp. In four years from 1941 to 1945, the death toll among prisoners would have amounted to 720,000 at Auschwitz alone. Combined with the death tolls from other camps in Poland, the grand total would exceed 4 million.
so you deny that millions of Jews were purposefully killed by the Nazis and their allies? you deny that there was a planned and determined effort to exterminate the Jews of Europe?
Anne and Margot Frank were spared immediate death in the Auschwitz camp and were sent to Bergen-Belsen. It's believed that their mother was killed in a gas chamber after she was separated from her family. In March 1945, the Frank sisters died of typhus at Bergen-Belsen and their bodies were thrown into a mass grave. Their father miraculously survived and published his daughter's diary after the war. Probably this is what actually happened to other Holocaust victims. During World War II, typhus also struck the German Army during Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of Russia in 1941. The Nazis could have used typhus as a biological weapon to exterminate the Jewish prisoners or it could have been a natural consequence of bad sanitary conditions at concentration camps.
so 5+ million Jews died of disease???? problem is, 5+ million Jews were NOT put in concentration camps buddy!!!! millions of Jews died from shooting, starvation, the elements, beating, torture, and other methods of murder. the Soviet Jews who were murdered were mostly killed by death squads and were not sent to Poland. and btw, if a government illegally sends millions of innocent civilians to camps and then does not treat them when they get a disease or lets them starve, that is a criminal act of genocide.
Absolute nonsense. The number of victims of Stalin's Penal System are greatly exaggerated in Western sources. Nazi atrocities not only against the Jews, but against other civilians and Soviet POWs have no parallel.
Still no credible source to support your flawed opinions... You can't compare atrocities of which you are unaware.
That's right. These people (not all are Jews, many are evangelical Christians) are today's Zionists. They claim that Jews have a historic right to occupy Palestine. And they abuse the Holocaust for political reasons. But these gangsters have no influence on Holocaust research.
