Abraham Peace Accord.

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

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    Hussain Obamba's deal suck.
    You cannot make deals with the Ayatullas... even today they continue to develope Nukes under our eyes.
    Regarding the so called Palestinians - their leaders ( whom they elected !! ) DO NOT WANT PEACE.
    Yaser Tfu Araffat r.i.p and abu Adolf Mazen are the same, both afraid to sign peace because they will get a 5.56 bullet between their eyes.
    Israel is NOT the bad guy in the M.E.
     
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    This is a total misrepresentation of the process the first world embarked on under the leadership of Obama.

    Having an explicit deal, with Iran's signaure, was a huge step forward as it defined in detail what was expected and what Iran promised to deliver.

    WHEN (not if) they broke that, the consortium of countries that were signatories had a DUTY to defend that deal AND a legal right to do so. It became an international COMMITMENT of those nations to defend that treaty. It became the legal basis for action.

    Today, we have NO such commitment from other nations because Trump abandoned that deal. We have NO definition of anything Irran has promised to do, since Trump freed them of that responsibility.

    By making world wide response no more than an arms race, Trump has fully justified Iran's argument that the only way forward for Iran is to have nuclear deterrance.

    After all, even the US refuses to follow any legal or negotiated path and the US has proven to be a faithless negotiator.


    In fact, the Trump declaration to the world that the USA will NOT stand behind the negotiations we carry out is a huge impact on our influence in EVERY region. Every country on Earth must consider the USA to be a faithless negotiating partner.

    Regardless of our foreign policy, that is a HUGE loss. Even our claim of preferring the rule of law is trashed, as the rule of law can not exist in such an environment.
     
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    Here is an interesting blast from the past that I believe is still relevant to this discussion.

    (May 18, 2017)

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...of-bodiesthe-us.504788/page-9#post-1067484652


     
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    This idea that the US is going to invade Iran is just plain nonsense. Iran is not Iraq It has an airforce rated to be stronger than that of Israel, for example. And, the idea that Iranians won't figh for their country hits me as the kind of thing we said about Vietnam.

    Besides, after conquering Iran, what comes next? Surely we would have just proven beyond all doubt that Iran (and other regional powers) require nuclear deterance as an absolute. And, we would have just positioned ourselves as FAR worse than other world powers in terms of respect for internatioanal law, trustability, etc. Nobody in the world is going to suggest Iran deserved conquest on the grounds that it believed it required nuclear deterrance to survive.

    After all, we would have just proved the point.

    When the majority of the world is united behind Iran as a threat, other measures can be applied - measures that Iran can not oppose with their military. Measures that other nations can respect. Measures that are multinational and thus have to be seen as legitimate as compared to the homicidal rage of one nation.


    As a nation, we stand for the rule of law - NOT the law of the jungle.
     
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    This issue is NOT bout wealth. Palestinians are NOT demanding to be wealthy.

    They are demanding their inalienable rights as our own forefathers so eloquently laid out in our founding documents.

    Then YOU come along and suggest that Palestinaians (or ANY humans) will accept having their property stolen acceptin being denied representation if only there is a lot of money in it for them???


    You REALLY have a deranged idea of what it means to be human.

    Besides, Trump's feckless son in law tried that. He actually went to Palestine with the idea of buying them off!!!

    This isn't the kind of profound stupidity that is election related.

    This is just a total and PERMANENT lack of ANY understanding of what it means to be a human being.
     
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    You really have No idea what is going on in that area.
    I'm sure the info you get is from the local pro BDS Media not from visiting Israel and understanding the truth.
    If you will visit Ramallah or Nables you will see that the Arabs there have normal life, the Coffee shops are full and everybody is eating Baklawa.
    They live 100 times better than their brothers in Syria, Yemen or other Arab countries.
    In Gaza , it's a different story, the people are poor and Hamas still all the donations to build terror tunnels and purchase missles.
     
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    This is an assault on our own declaraion of independence.

    It is a claim that our founders were WRONG.

    Sorry, dude. It is YOU who is absolutely wrong here. Our founders knew what they were talking about.

    And, your suggestion that our founders should have been happy that by some measure they were better off than people living somewhere else is just plain ignorance concerning what our fundamental rights are all about. Thy are NOT for sale - like you and Kushner think.

    And, the reason Gaza is poor is that Israel has run Gaza as an open air prison, denying even their ability to EXPORT goods, to travel, to buy medicine, to buy fundamental substances such as disenfectants.

    Embargoes like that are war. And, Israel has acively been at war with Gaza for decades now, bombing civilians and their requirements for life.

    Let's remember tha tit is ISRAEL who has refused to negotiate an end to their war on Gaza.

    Let's remember tha it is ISRAEL that has consistenly ATTACKED the unified government of Palestine, preventing it from removing Hamas and replacing it with the West Bank government that works WITH Isreal to fight terrorism - as stated by the military of Israel.

    Let's remember that if the West Bank government ran Gaza, THEY would be the ones fignting terrorism in Gaza and would be the ones collecting taxes on goods crossing borders - as is their record in West Bank.

    Thus Hamas would lose its income, would lose its position as the ONLY existing organization that helps the citizens in Gaza - something that is proven with every Isaeli bombing campaign, every case of Israeli troops sniping across the border at farmers tilling their fields.

    THEN you have the pure gall to moan about Hamas!!!

    Israel went out of its way to bomb hospitals, to destroy elecric service, to destroy water facilities - the vey basics that humans need for life and health.

    It is Israel that denies Gaza the economic rights to its waters and steals revenue that absolutely belongs to Palestine.


    Then YOU come along and say they are "poor"!!! Just WOW! So, you BRAG about the human devestation that Israel wrecks on these people.

    Then, you whine that there are those who give up watching their families die with no possible future and decide to sacrivice their own lives in the only form of opposition that Israel allows.

    You have NO idea how deeply I disrespect Israel for its decades of continuing humanitarian atrocity.

    And, that's true of my Jewish friends as well.
     
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    I disrespect people who are brainwashed by the media and the Palestinian wall of lies propaganda.
    Gaza has a border with their brothers Egypt.
    Why Egypt close the border on it's brothers ??
    Why Israel ( Gaza's enemy as you wrote) sends every day houndred of loaded trucks to Gaza ?
    Take a 1000 $ Plain ticket and fly to that area.. Only by being there you will understand the truth of this conflict.
    Did u know that 5 minutes after signing the peace agreement between Israel and Dubai , Hamas fired missles ?!!
    I wonder what you will say if missles were fired on your beautiful town ..
    I guess you never heard a real explosion.. i hope you will never do.
    Arabs have 22 large countries , all are against human rights, thousands are killed each month in Syria, Eraq , Lybia, Yemen Etc.. and you have disrespect for Israel.. Lol.
    Palestinians do not want peace.
    They want it All.
     
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    Wow. A peace deal between nations that have never been at war with each other!

    *golf clap*
     
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    You've got it wrong.
    The Emirates and Bahrain are part of the Arab league.
    They declared in 1967 the following:
    - no peace with Israel.
    - no recognition of Israel.
    - no negotiations with Israel.

    That decision stand ever since that day until now that they signed a peace agreement.
    So now you have:
    - Negotiation with Israel.
    - Recognition of Israel.
    - Peace with Israel.

    So yes, it is a big deal.
    Downplaying the importance of this act only plays into the hands of Islamic radicals.
     
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    They've never fired a shot at each other, and have been steadily moving in this direction well before the Tangerine Turd came along. I'll be impressed when the Palestinians are on board.
     
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    The USA and USSR had never fired a shot at each other, that did not stop them from being the most dangerous enemies in the world during most of the 20th century.
     
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    I believe that in the next few weeks or less, another Arab country will make peace with Israel.
    Allah is indeed Akbaarr .
    Peace for peace !
     
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    Saudi Arabia’s former ambassador to the US Prince Bandar bin Sultan has called out the Palestinian leadership for its rejection of the UAE-Israel peace deal.
    “This low level of discourse is not what we expect from officials who seek to gain global support for their cause. Their transgression against the Gulf states' leadership with this reprehensible discourse is entirely unacceptable,” said Prince Bandar in an exclusive interview with Al Arabiya.
    Prince Bandar, who served as Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the US from 1983 to 2005 and the Kingdom’s intelligence chief from 2014 to 2016, said the criticism of the UAE and other Gulf countries following the deal with Israel had been “painful to hear.”
    Palestinian leaders including President Mahmoud Abbas have described the UAE’s decision to normalize ties with Israel as a “stab in the back of the Palestinian people.”

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/fe...calls-out-Palestinian-leaders-over-peace-deal

    Who are and always have been Ungrateful ? Palestinians.
     
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    I hope this happens:
     

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