Abstinence trends on Twitter in wake of Roe v. Wade ruling (nypost.com)

Getting tubes tied works also.

 

Sure, you could stay in your house all day, but nothing good will happen either. Both good and bad events are consequences.

Being hedonistic isn't "living", it's just being hedonistic.

When two people are both using contraceptives in conjunction with morning after type birth control, we would virtually eliminate all abortion in this country. Just having one person on consistent birth control would eliminate 95% of the current abortions in this country. Being more selective in who we sleep with even more so.

And no, being a responsible human being taking birth control and not having sex with random people isn't "Taliban-ish", it's called living a responsible life.

Having a child is definitely a learning experience.

 

Kinda difficult to call us the UNITED States of America in your view.

 

I agree. That is certainly the best service the LGBTQ+ has provided the broader community and of course they are right, they are their choices should be respected. I'm not sure much of a thirst there is beyond that though.

Netflix cancels another show after just one season. “Q-Force is an adult animated comedy that focuses on a group of LGBTQ+ superspies, known as Queer Force, who are looking to prove themselves to the American Intelligence Agency (AIA) that undervalues them.”

 

What do you think "abstain" means? Are you sure you know this is about sexual intercourse, and not taxes or something?

And do you think people don't CHOOSE to abstain?

 

Where did I mention men? I'm one of the few here who insists it's ENTIRELY the woman's choice.

Some of these 'pro-choice' types think men should have a say in what she does with her body.

 

1) Are you telling us that women can't be expected to understand consequences? What IS your point here .. since it surely can't be that you think women are so libidinously irresponsible that they must be enabled to shag whenever the urge moves them? Like spoiled children?

2) Freedom means being responsible enough to handle it. Failure to take responsibility means your actions will harm others.

 

So because the states are now in charge of abortion and setting regulations on it women are not going to get pregnant.

Deal. That was kind of the idea. I somehow doubt there's going to be this effect. I've heard of sex strikes before but I don't think they work.

 

so what bodily autonomy do they not have? Where is abortion forbidden?

This question doesn't make sense. Where is abortion completely banned?

 

Everybody has sex in exchange for something. Pleasure, for instance. Oxytocin. Did you know that the "love hormone" does wonders for the body and mind? There's much one can get in exchange for sex indeed.

 

In a perfect world, all couples using contraceptives in conjunction with morning after pill will avoid getting pregnant indeed. But we don't live in a perfect world. Contraceptives are not completely safe, there are side effects. Women can't be expected to refrain from sex for years just because their bodies are not the perfect machines anti-abortionists claim they should be.

All decisions related to consensual sex must be freely made by the individuals involved (that's what "consensual" stands for), not by society.

 

I meant that each individual should decide what to do with own body. Each woman for herself, and each man for himself. I'm talking about sex, of course.

 

My point is that all actions, including but not limited to sex, have consequences. Telling women to avoid consequences is basically the same as telling them not to live their lives. I couldn't care less about the sexual habits of other women. I support their right to have sexual lives.

True. However, "responsible" means very different things to different people. So does "harm".

 

So you agree that she is 100% responsible. Good.

 

1) Who is telling who that? This is about ACKNOWEDGLING that women are entirely responsible for what happens to their body. That they know exactly what they're doing, are fully aware that conception is a result of sex, and fully aware that they're taking a risk when engaging in sex in conditions which are not optimal. Are you willing to acknowlegde that?

2) Yeah, no. You won't find many people who'll disagree that avoiding conceptions you can't 'afford', is responsible. Nor that it's far FAR more responsible to avoid those conceptions in the first place, than to kill a baby because you were irresponsible. If you know anyone who disagrees, I suggest you exclude that individual from your life. They're either insane, or so rich and thoughtless that they have no concept of the link between responsibility and survival.

 

Why on earth would they have to abstain for 'years'? For the vast majority of women, at least half of every month is infertile. If they use ovulation testers, they can pin down their fertile period to about 5 days days. It would take a virtual miracle to conceive outside that period. It happens, but it's rare. Add to that the many sexual activities which don't involve intercourse, plus the vast array of contraceptives, and it's easy to see why the majority of women get throught their entire life without a genuinely unwanted pregnancy. And that's inclusive of a robust sex life.

 

Unfortunately, our brains are not wired in a way that would allow us to live the perfectly organized lives that would spare us bad consequences. On the positive side, that which pushes us to experiment, fail, get up and experiment again, is also that which makes us the most successful species on Earth. Can't have it both ways, can we?

Sex is intimately linked to survival, in more ways than one.

 

Yes. In a perfect world. Do you live in a perfect world? I don't.

 

Baloney. That is like wanting to legalize bank robbery just because.

 

No it's not.

 

Maybe 1%

 

Yes it is.

 

Prove it.

 

That has to be the most clever dodge I have ever seen on this forum. Personally, I oppose any law that affects ones right to bodily autonomy and I support their right to be (The term you avoided).

 

No, we do not live in a perfect world.

We do live in a world where 95% of abortions are because people don't use contraceptives consistently, or at all.

Modern contraception works, and if people behaved responsibly, total abortions in this country would be a fraction of 1% the current numbers.

I think we can do better than 95%. Don't you?