Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

"conversion therapy".

LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Are you making a point? Please get to it.

[QUOTEPAnd it doesn't matter what you regard as the source of effeminacy, in other cultures it's seen as a physical thing.[/QUOTE]It isn't. It is a behavioral thing. That isn't an opinion. To think it's physical is to not understand physical traits.

So the only men who aren't effeminate in these cultures are strong men?

I would suggest that culture is far behind.

 

I'm not trying to get you to show any science that supports it. I know you can't.

I'm tying to point out the metric you are using to support your claims makes it equal to the claim that Bigfoot exists or that demonic possession is just as credible.

This is a dumb statement I know other cultures are different.

 

No such thing. There will always be environmental influences. The question is whether or not that influence has an affect on a given trait.

 

sigh ... no it doesn't Poly. what percentage of people believe bigfoot exists? a tiny proportion of us. what I'm talking about is broad acceptance of and absolute 'belief in' these cultural items. it would actually the much smaller proportion which doesn't believe it.

 

[QUOTEPAnd it doesn't matter what you regard as the source of effeminacy, in other cultures it's seen as a physical thing.[/QUOTE]It isn't. It is a behavioral thing. That isn't an opinion. To think it's physical is to not understand physical traits.

So the only men who aren't effeminate in these cultures are strong men?

I would suggest that culture is far behind.[/QUOTE]

1) again, it doesn't matter what you think effeminacy is, it's what THEY think that I'm referring to. THEY think it's physical, not psychological.

2) you can suggest it all you like. meantime, they regard our thinking as 'far behind'.

 

Absolutely.

 

It isn't. It is a behavioral thing. That isn't an opinion. To think it's physical is to not understand physical traits.

So the only men who aren't effeminate in these cultures are strong men?

I would suggest that culture is far behind.[/QUOTE]

1) again, it doesn't matter what you think effeminacy is, it's what THEY think that I'm referring to. THEY think it's physical, not psychological.

2) you can suggest it all you like. meantime, they regard our thinking as 'far behind'.[/QUOTE]

So Freudian of you.....

Effeminate ? really ??

 

False.

 

At age 10, no such influences have enough time to have any substantial causal effects.

 

It doesn't matter. If it isn't real believing in it won't matter.

Beliving something doesn't make it so.

If 100% of people believed something that wouldn't make it so.

 

I didn't post what I though. I posted what is. To think differently is to not understand human behavior. Culture really has no bearing on it.

It isn't physical. That is not what I think. That simply is what is true.

Our thinking is based in logic and reason. Not tradition. We lead the world.

 

Just by saying absolutely to anything related to human issues proves how very little you know about human psychology.

If male "effeminate behaviour" what "you" consider effeminate behaviour, equals potential homosexuality, you see many opposite examples in life.
Example; Felix Unger of the story;
"The Odd Couple",
Felix was a heterosexual male that was a neat freak and extremely effeminate in activities and behaviors, while his heterosexual roommate was a slovenly masculine sterotype.

When I was in grades 1 - 6, if you were male and some what cute and frail, the bigger ugly boys would pound you and call you Gay and F@g and bully you and take your lunch and destroy it.

This was considered ( the victim) to be effeminate behaviour, and the teachers then would do nothing simply saying "Boys will be Boys" shake their heads sadly at the poor effeminate Boy victim and not help in any way.

So if an effeminate male is potentially Gay, is a Tomboy female potentially Lesbian ?

It is simply a cubby hole mentality trying to fit everyone into a proper zone or well defined caste system.

Welcome to Advanced Bigotry.

 

Maybe because your claims fly in the face of the stated positions of every medical and social scientific organization in the western world?

Maybe that has something to do with it?

 

That's the limit of your reasoning? A dogged adherence to western-centric received theory in the psychological arts?

wow .. no wonder I'm under the radar.

 

Culture IS environment, Poly. And environment most definitely shapes us.

YOU say it isn't physical, others say it is. You are not right because certain interests in certain small pockets of humanity have chosen a position without the science or social anthropology to back it up. There is no settled science on things like 'effeminacy'. I personally believe it's both psychological and physical, but that's just me.

It's not a 'tradition' in the 'traditional' sense, it's long-observed efficacy. There is no religious or similar component to it. It's purely utilitarian. And we absolutely do not lead the world in such matters. If we did, our youth would not be the most damaged and self-destructive on planet earth.

 

oh my ... you have much to learn about early childhood. with respect.

 

psychology is the study of behavior. It isn't an art it's a science.

You are under the radar because by suggesting an unscientific approach to behavior is as valid as a scientific approach.

You muddy the waters by suggesting cultural traditions are as valid as supported theories based on a more objective view.

 

No, welcome to social harmony and therefore pack survival. The survival of the majority will always trump the feelings of the one.

 

Interesting how you ignored the second part. An environmental influence might not affect a trait at all. Or, on the other hand, one could trigger a genetic component that normally would not have been. It is foolish to deny their existence, but it is also foolish to assume that they are they source of all "abnormal"

 

Says who? No puns intended! Environmental influences can and have caused effects over much shorter periods of time. The environment can include man made objects and situations. Furthermore, such things can affect ZEF's in the womb, either by affecting the process from the mother's body to triggering genetic components that might not have been, or preventing a normally triggered component from occurring. The question, that no one really has the answer to, is to what extent do these things affect individuals? And really, do they even affect different individuals the same way or in different ways?

 

Culture shapes us socially to an extant. It doesn't shape our biology.

Behavior isn't physical. People who say out is are incorrect.

I am more reasonable because I can support what I say with more than just cultural tradition. As far as not being right I'm happy to correct myself of you can show that I'm wrong.

Because it's largely based on canards and axioms.

I'd say you haven't a clue. But that's just me.

So it's axiomatic. I don't really care how the axiom was developed. It's still am axiom.

Yes we do.

We don't pretend things are true because we claim them to be. Sure a culture can function for a little bit that way but out can't grow and a culture that doesn't grow is dead.

 

Likewise, even if 100% of people believed something didn't exist, that would not stop it from existing.

 

I am talking about people who know things to be true as a result of long observation of its efficacy. And again, the proof of just who is getting it right and who isn't, is clearly seen in the results. Whose youth are failing? Is it western youth? Or the youth of cultures in which this stuff has long been known and lived by?

You can't 'win' this one, Poly, as long as our kids are f'ing up, and their kids are doing the opposite. It doesn't serve anyone (least of all our kids) to ignore different cultural approaches to the human condition when they may provide better results - simply because doing so will unseat indoctrinated ideas vested in self-declared moral superiority.

 

No you are talking about a self fulfilling prophecy.

Backward cultures that repress verses understand likely get results. I wouldn't call it right.

No.

In perpetual stagnation? That is the death of culture. Sorry.

Right it was won decades before I was born. A stagnate arrogant culture that never seeks to better itself is dead.

Nobody moves to communist **** holes.

I'm not so sure they are better. A culture that can't grow is dead and doomed.