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I'm not listening to 'western wisdom' on this.

 

The point is that I had no interest in 'alternative' theories. I was committed to the genetics theory.

I don't spell out my background online, but it's a specialisation in a certain field. It's of little import here, anyway. You'd dismiss my ideas regardless.

But let's just say that years of working almost exclusively in the psychiatric arts, and the necessary exposure I've had to western medicine (in the particular area of my profession) has convinced me that we don't know all that we think we know. I have controversial, 'environment' ideas about a number of conditions purported to be genetic and/or chemical. Homosexuality is just one of them.

 

Sounds like confirmation bias to me.

 

The only difference now is that you picked another one that is equal.

That is because you haven't supported them in the least.

I'm sorry but you are the only one that is making a definitive claim here. And you aren't supporting it at all. Vague claims of observation doesn't cut it.

You just said it was social. You're claim is that it's social, not environmental. Environmental factors would be weather, drinking water, types of foods, proximity to the ocean and so forth.

 

Some part of parenting would be social not environmental.

Why is that?

 

Because we're human. Are you suggesting that we can replicate our actions/words etc at will? Over many years?

 

Parenting falls under the umbrella of environment. Nature vs nurture, etc.

 

Coolio. But it confirmed nothing regarding my original bias. The opposite, in fact.

 

We are human due to genetics and environment.

 

double speak is dishonest.

You have failed to give any reasonable information as to why you think homosexuality is socially conditioned.

 

I don't feel any need or inclination to 'support' it beyond that which I've already offered. Obviously, I have sufficient evidence for my own position, else I wouldn't hold it.

You're using the lay understanding of 'environment'. I'm not.

 

I'm not trying to convince you, Poly. I'm talking about my own position, and why/how I hold it.

 

Well biologically speaking yes. But your claim is that it socially conditioned not biological.

Parenting in the sense of moulding young minds is social.

 

I believe that we are blank slates. Our physiology may be predetermined, but our minds are not.

 

Yes, and yes. You appear caught up in semantics.

 

Which is nothing what do ever.

Yet you're extremely cagey about presenting it. Must mean you know it will be devoured. Meaning you know it isn't convincing.

No your using the meaning of social but you don't want to admit your wrong.

 

I don't care whether it's convincing to you. It doesn't need to be. It only needs to be convincing to me. Also, I'm lazy. I can't be bothered with the (pointless) task of discussing non-western parenting models with those indoctrinated in 'western wisdom'. It's like talking quantum physics with poets.

Semantics again, Poly. You know exactly what I mean.

 

I'm saying you aren't supporting your position. If you never planned on doing that why bring it up?

If all you're going to do is say what you believe you aren't much different than sec

 

So If you believed the bible was the word of god that would be convincing to you. It is to a lot of people. Perhaps that is why you are being cagey.

Yeah sure.

You are being pig headed. You are talking about social condition.

 

You appear to be dishonest and simply saying you're lazy.

 

Who says sexual orientation is in our minds. It makes more sense that it is in our genome. It is a biological drive a biological imperative you mate.

This isn't social. Environment effects genetics so I can't say it isn't environmental. Pleiotropy can explain why some people are homosexual. If this doesn't make you question your "theory" than its just a religious belief.

 

And whatever liberals want liberals must have

No matter how unnatural it might be

 

There is no reason to forbid homosexuality. It being unnatural isn't a good reason. Air conditioning is unnatural but that's fantastic.

 

Maybe I am living in the past when human relationships were simplier and more natural.

Today we live in a plastic virtual reality world of illusions and sex changes.

The supreme court legalized homosexuality and gay marriage and after 40 years of pro homosexual advertizing the the popular media I concede that gays have changed public opinion to their side.

But we have not reached the end of the journey to libertine nirvana and the next great leap into anything goes may involve animals and children

And our society will be the worse for it