Actor Ashton Kutcher reveals disease left him unable to walk, see, hear. Caused by vaccine?

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actor Ashton Kutcher has revealed that a rare disease left him unable to walk, see, or hear for a year.

    This story has just been announced in the news, since Kutcher has just recently opened up about his health issues.

    I did see one very interesting detail about this story. Kutcher says it happened two years ago.
    That was about the same time when the Covid vaccines rolled out.

    Being Hollywood celebrities, in those circles, and with all the social politics that surrounded this vaccine, there's a near certainty that Kutcher got the vaccine. But just in case there is any doubt I did find an article titled "Mila Kunis And Ashton Kutcher Have Opened Up About Why They Feel 'Frustrated' That Their 4- And 6-Year-Old Kids Can’t Get The COVID-19 Vaccine Yet".

    The exact medical condition that affected Kutcher is an autoimmune-caused disorder called "vasculitis", which involve inflammation of the blood vessels.
    In case anyone is not aware, Kutcher eats healthy and keeps himself in very good shape. It's extremely unusual that such are a rare medical disorder would just afflict him out of nowhere.

    The mainstream media, of course, have not suggested any connection between what happened to him and the vaccine. And it may likely not be possible to prove for certain that his medical issues were caused by the vaccine. It could just be a coincidence. But even if a connection was likely or possible to exist, the media would be very reluctant to want to report it, because they've been trying to create the narrative that everyone should get the vaccine, and minimize any dangers that might exist. Vasculitis is now known to be a rare side effect of the vaccine.

    In a video from an interview, first reported by "Access Hollywood", Kutcher discussed how the illness has affected him. In the episode, Grylls asks Kutcher where his strength comes from. Kutcher explained: "Two years ago, I had this weird, super rare form of vasculitis that, like, knocked out my vision. It knocked out my hearing. It knocked out, like, all my equilibrium."
    Kutcher told Grylls that it took him about a year to regain those abilities.
    "You don't really appreciate it until it's gone, until you go, 'I don't know if I’m ever going to be able to see again, I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to hear again, I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to walk again."
     
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    Sounds like advanced syphilis to me. Fits with Hollywood lifestyle.
     
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    The NIH has studied this connection to the COVID and potentially to the vaccine?, and looks like there is cause to be concerned...

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8754903/
     
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    After doing further research, I have noticed two possibly dishonest things the media has been doing. It could just be coincidental mistakes and careless errors, or it could be intentional dishonesty to try to obscure the truth.

    The first thing is some media articles are leaving out the first word, "like", from his statement in the interview.

    "Like two years ago I had this weird, super rare form of vasculitis, that like knocked out my vision, it knocked out my hearing, it knocked out like all my equilibrium," Kutcher tells Grylls.​

    The vaccines rolled out one year and 9 months ago, so it can make a big difference whether he said "two years ago" or "like two years ago".

    "Like two years ago" could still include almost two years ago. (Especially all the more since he probably would have lost track of exact time with that medical condition and the brain fog)

    The other thing some media articles are doing is, even if they are correctly quoting him saying 2 years, they state it happened 3 years ago in the caption in small text at the top of the article under the picture. But this seems impossible because if you go to the Access Hollywood story and look at the date, it just came out this month (there was no big delay between the interview and the breaking news story).
     
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    Sounds like exaggerations by the MSM. What did Ashton Kutcher say:

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    NPR quotes him as saying it happened "Like 2 years ago"
    What is vasculitis? Ashton Kutcher says he's lucky to survive autoimmune disease : NPR

    The actor is also not known to be the brightest person on the planet, so it is possible he might be getting the exact time confused.

    "Like two years ago, I had this weird, super rare form of vasculitis, that like knocked out my vision, it knocked out my hearing, it knocked out like all my equilibrium," Kutcher told Grylls.
    What is vasculitis? Ashton Kutcher says he battled rare autoimmune disease that left him unable to walk, hear and see - CBS News, August 9, 2022
     
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    I believe you have already read of my girlfriend's experience with cancer immediately after the vaccine. Well evidently that cancer is gone but now she has cancer of the larynx and it must be cut out. The first cancer was in her lymph nodes.
     
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    He's quoted as saying 2 years ago in the clip from the show, but we don't know when that was recorded (and it's the kind of show that would likely have a long production schedule). In his own tweet about in recently though, he did say 3 years ago. I see no reason not to believe him.

    Even if the timing did coincide (which isn't at all clear), you are right that it is likely impossible to know if one of the COVID vaccines was in any way involved. I'd suggest the media not making a big issue of an entirely speculative connection is a perfectly good thing (they should avoid that kind of wild speculation more often). Making it a big issue would inevitably lead to unnecessary invasion in to his medical history and wouldn't achieve anything of practical benefit other than stirring up the conspiracy theories even more.

    You literally just explained how we can't know if a COVID vaccine was in any way relevant in this one case, and that is even based on your unclear assumptions. Declaring that it is now known to be a rare side effect is simply a lie.

    Even if his condition was related to a COVID vaccine, a single incident of a significant (but treatable) condition doesn't really impact the overall status of that vaccine (and certainly not any of the other ones).
     
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    Not sure how you leapt to vaccines from the article you linked to, it mentions covid-19 only.
     
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    Look more closely, the implication is as a result of having been exposed to covid, or as a result of having been vaccinated and then exposed to covid. The real deal is no-one actually knows what will and has happened to those who were vaccinated yet. turns out that is why the drug companies begged for and were issued immunity from liability. Now, of course the federal government isn't, and because the federal agencies actuals created the mandatory nature of the vaccinations, it does seem that the Federal government is liable in either case, hence the worry from the NIH..
     
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    That wasn't implied at all. There was literally zero reference to COVID vaccines (only one passing reference to vaccination in general, and that was in the context of a form of vasculitis most common in children and not the form Kutcher appears to talk about). Also, of the nine patients this review looked at, four of them were children under ten and so would have been highly unlikely to have received vaccination at that point in time anyway.

    If nobody knows, stop spouting empty speculation base on misrepresenting reported data. Look for actual data that supports your hypothesis.
     
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    From everything I can find, the Access Hollywood clip is dated August 8, 2022.
    I suppose it could be possible it was filmed before then.
     
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    Unfortunately for anti-vaxxers his disease happened before the vaccine was invented, and who knows when he said "two years ago", but even if he said it yesterday, it would still be before the vaccine.

    "Like two years ago I had this weird, super rare form of vasculitis, that like knocked out my vision, it knocked out my hearing, it knocked out like all my equilibrium," - Kutcher
     
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    https://nationalpost.com/diseases-a...itis/wcm/bdcfb37d-aad3-43b3-bae5-6ff39f50723d

    Here his Twitter post that I have already posted.

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    https://twitter.com/aplusk/status/1556802166072889344?cxt=HHwWgMCq5cvU75orAAAA

    Covid-19 and the vaccine had zero to do with his vasculitis. Nice try anti-vaxxers.
     
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    Yes, because the clip was marketing for the episode that was first broadcast on that date. Given it's some kind of wilderness adventure show filmed in all different places around the world (Costa Rica in this case), it seems highly unlikely it would be filmed recently. For this kind of show, they typically film an entire series before any of them are broadcast.

    Given Kutchers own tweet, posted on the same date, specifically stated three years, it seems ridiculous to doubt that on the basis that something most likely pre-recorded some time ago says two years. I appreciate that might be difficult for you to accept since it largely blows your hypothesis out of the water.
     
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    thanks, looks like the anti-vaxers jumped the gun
     
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    so Kutcher is doing better now, the vaccine must have cured him :)

    I mean the disease happened before the vaccine and now he is better, so must be true right?
     
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    Apparently we do not know for sure.

    As I already said, the vaccine came out about one year and nine months ago. In the video he said it began "like two years ago" (or approximately two years ago). If the video was filmed very recently, then there is a high probability it could have happened a short time after he received the vaccine. If the video was filmed more than 3 months ago, then it would be more probable that it happened before the vaccine.
     
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    Are you thick? Ashton Kutcher has said on Twitter it was 3 years ago. Google it.
     
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    It's just a Twitter post. He could have gotten confused about exactly how long ago it was.
    Also unlikely, but do we know for sure that is actually his account and someone else has not just used his name?
     
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    So you believe MSM propaganda about covid and their advocacy for the vaccines, yet you don't believe them reporting on vaccine injuries? That is deranged.
     
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    Nice try. Next you will be claiming he got vasculitis when he was raped by a virgin or some such ****. Stop trying to stir the pot with crazy speculations.
     
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    Well, he's not exactly known for being the brightest Hollywood celebrity.
    Combine that with the fact that his vision and hearing were knocked out for almost an entire year (probably a lot of brain fog at the time too), and it's easy to see how he might not have had the best grasp of time and could have easily made a casual careless error in a stupid Twitter post.
     
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    it the text from aug 2022 he says 3 years ago, so no idea when the video came out
     
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    Repeating facts that are already obvious won't make you right.
     

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