Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    The flag anomaly closes the whole case by itself. It's simply too clear to obfuscate.

    At the 2:36 time mark of this video...


    "Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

    Apollo 15 flag waving
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y

    (two links to the same video in case one goes off-line)


    ...the flag starts to move when the astronaut trots by it.

    This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    Air made it move. They were in a studio.


    This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
    (00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

    So does this one.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
    (18:50 time mark)


    Here's some other stuff about the flag.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker:+The+Flags+Are+Alive
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker:+Flagging+The+Dead+Horses

    There's a mountain of other proof that the missions were faked.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

    All of the Apollo footage was taken in a studio. The footage is full of anomalies.

    "The Apollo Moon Landings by Marcus Allen"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVR2WTK20Ig
     
  2. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    no air 'moved' the flag,it would have 'flapped' in any breeze

    the flag was jostled
    keep up the spam though,it's funny as hell!
     
  3. vino909

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    Oh boy, another Grassy Knoller! Maybe God farted and THAT made the flag move?
     
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  5. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Hey Hoosier8

    You seem to think that pictures aren't fakable. Am I right? Do you think that pictures aren't fakable?
     
  6. Betamax101

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    You are simply unaware of the process involved in receiving and building the pictures taken by the LROC camera. The files that contain the Apollo hardware are part of transmissions received by Arizona State University amounting to nearly 300Gb every day. When extracted and prepared, these TIF images are approximately 200mb in size. To invisibly insert the Apollo hardware without a photogrammetry expert detecting variances in pixel coloration, variances in compression from the original to name just two obvious changes - is impossible. There are literally hundreds of images that contain Apollo hardware and the number goes up every day as the LROC continues to capture images. Once again your simplistic understanding and blinkered claims leave you with nothing but a strawman statement.

    Prove they were faked - you cannot and will not. I expect you will make your standard response of relying on the 'flag anomalies' to dismiss everything.
     
  7. Betamax101

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    It closes nothing at all. You are continually ignoring responses that demonstrate numerous better explanations.

    Air striking fabric would cause it to ripple and or billow, clearly this is not the case. At no other point in the footage, is there even the slightest of movements of the flag, so once again clearly it cannot be a breeze or draft causing this.

    This leaves your spammed claim that it is a 'wall of air' being pushed by the astronaut. Once again, this is impossible. Air simply does not behave that way, even with large objects moving very fast. You have been shown evidence proving this and provided nothing to support your fictitious claim of 'the atmosphere explanation'.

    Many months ago in the first of your spammed threads, I postulated the possibility that the initial movement was simply a camera bloom. To support this, I showed that the complete area of that flag and pole move to the right of the screen in one clear movement and that the movement occurs when the bright suit of the astronaut enters the frame. Since then, a user at the apollohoax forum has noticed that there are two lens flares that also move with the flag. I have yet to see any explanation from you for this movement.

    Air could not possibly have been the cause of any movement. It just doesn't work that way. It's up there with your other ridiculous claim that the Chinese flag rotates underwater with zero restriction or billowing.

    Explain my rebuttal videos. You can not and will not.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/apollo-17-flag.html

    That one demonstrates an alarming lack of knowledge regarding pendulum motion in fabric. The mythbusters experiment shows how the Earth flag flaps much quicker than the Apollo 15 Moon flag. A flag with vertical and side support is a complex pendulum with multiple pivot points and multiple energy transfers between them.
     
  8. Scott

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    Not so. Anyone can hang a light piece of cloth from a ceiling light and trot by it at about a forty five degree angle or swing a pillow by it and see it behave exactly like the Apollo flag behaves.

    That's the whole point. The only time the flag moves is when a breeze caused by the astronaut's passing causes it to move.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU
    (2:36 time mark)

    This video makes that expecially clear.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    The movement you say is camera bloom is when the astronaut is further away from the flag. It can be seen at the 8:57 time mark of this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QrvGmfUxRA

    It's really a moot point because the other movement when the astronaut is closer to the flag is obviously caused by air. If it was camera bloom, what caused it to continue swaying?

    I made a comment in the comment section of this video of yours.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc6sqIe3Aio

    Here it is.
    The edits in your video misrepresent what actually happens to the flag. People who watch the continuous footage will see that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
    (00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

    You've got a patronizing authoritative attitude, but you're saying some pretty lame things. Something lame said in an authoritative patronizing way is still lame.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    So much wrong with your post....
     
  10. Betamax101

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    Hogwash. This is a claim you have made dozens of times all over the internet.

    https://www.google.com/search?q="pi...num=100&newwindow=1&filter=0&biw=1366&bih=621

    So, let's see the proof. Video a demonstration and put it up on one of your youtube accounts. Here is your big chance to actually prove something.

    A totally windless environment on Earth? Hogwash. The astronaut brushes it with his arm, you cannot argue with Jarrah White's analysis can you? It is completely irrelevant that he says the flag moved before. He shows quite clearly that the astronaut's elbow is easily close enough to brush the flag.

    You simply are incapable of admitting you are wrong. This behaviour has been going on now for 5 years.

    Further away than the tiny air wake made by a moving man! How can you not see this?

    I swear my grand kids understand stuff better than you. The so called initial movement and the astronaut subsequently hitting the flag are not mutually exclusive. I explained what that meant to you before, it obviously doesn't register. Just because event 1 happens, it doesn't mean event 2 doesn't.

    Oh never mind - you won't take any notice of this anyway!

    I suggest you go and read my reply, since it is made on my channel where I can tell you exactly what I think of you.

    "The same movement he uses to move the flag is the same movement he could very easily have imparted to stop it. It's all hardly noticeable what wrist twisting he is doing. Such a xxxx, ignores the fact that it looks completely untenable even speeded up 150%. The astronauts cross, so wires are impossible, and the little vertical motion is too slow. It looks close enough at 200% but now looks ridiculous."

    You are lying.

    Nobody will agree with. As usual.

    You are an habitual spammer who cuts and pastes a whole host of almost identical replies. Nothing you type is original, it's just a copy of a copy of a copy from one of your previous spammed forum threads.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/
     
  11. Scott

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    This video shows that the flag started to move before he got close enough to touch it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    This totally blows you out of the water.

    I'd better post Jarrah's video again so everyone will know what we're discussing. Start watching it at the 4:15 time mark.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3fwzPGtUk

    When you pro-Apollo posters are cornered on an issue, you just maintain your lame position until the hoax-believer gets tired and stops posting. Then, you bury the part of the debate in which you looked silly and go on as if nothing had happened.

    It doesn't matter if he was close enough to touch it or not as the flag started moving before he got close enough to touch it. You can jump up and down and scream all you want. You won't even fool a ten-year-old.

    You're maintaing your lame stand is about as impressive as the Black Knight in this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
     
  12. Scott

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    Betamax destroyed his credibility a long time ago by trying to obfuscate the clear proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.
    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com.es/2011/07/chinese-spacewalks-part-2.html

    Here's a partial summary of the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked that Betamax tried to obfuscate.

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c
    http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/

    In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

    Watch it at these time marks.
    0:50
    2:10
    3:00
    3:10
    6:08
    6:44
    6:53

    It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.

    Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious.

    At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

    The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water.

    The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
    (1:55 time mark)
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    There are some pretty good sophists working for the government trying to obfuscate the proof that the Apollo missions were faked, that 9/11 was an inside job, etc. There is a point though at which anomalies are so clear that sophistry becomes ineffective. The best sophist in the world couldn't convince a ten-year-old that the Chinese spacewalk was real. The Chinese spacewalk makes a good objectivity test.
     
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    The flag is on an inverted L shaped pole.
    If the poles moves, even slightly, so will the flag, in exactly the way we see it doing in the OP's videos.

    No evidence here at all.
     
  14. Scott

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    There is no visible movement of the rod or pole, let alone siginificant movement which would be strong enough to move the flag. Also, the nature of the flag's movement is not consistent with its having been caused by the pole and rod's moving. There is no movement at the top of the flag as would be the case if the rod and pole were moving it. The movement is consistent with its having been hit by a wall of air. The movement also occurs at the precise moment at which air from the astrnonaut's passing would make it move.

    Tell us whether you agree with Betamax's explanation that the astronaut brushed the flag with his elbow. Also, tell us whether you agree with Betamax's analysis of the Chinese spacewalk.
     
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    NO film exists of the flag moving as you claim in each case the flag moves while or after an astronautt touches the flag or it's staff.

    Anomalies prove nothing at all they exist in every theory and you have no evidence whatsoever that the landings were faked.
     
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    You seem unable to understand a simple concept. Every time you spam the identical reply. The initial movement, which is too far away to even remotely be caused by air, does not mean he did not subsequently hit the flag with his elbow. As I said, and as you ignore, even Jarrah White concedes the astronaut was on a path which took him close enough to the flag.

    Spam.

    Hogwash. Explain the lens flares!

    It does matter, the main movement was his elbow. That closes that claim down and leaves just the initial movement. Interesting that you quote what a ten year old would understand. They would understand that airflow does not work at all, the way you claim. Without any doubt, the flag could not possibly have been moved by the approaching astronaut, even Jarrah White's video that you spam the internet with, shows he as at least four feet away.

    Go and look at some wind tunnel pictures and tell me what a 10 year old would say about them!
     
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    You are lying. There is very clear movement of the flagpole and the entire flag.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4gbMT-Zs2Y

    Here is some help.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/chinese-spacewalks-part-1.html

    Scott/cosmored is unable to respond to this, he just keeps spamming the same identical post with cables moving through shape memory in space. He thinks a rotating piece of ice is a bubble and worst of all, insists that a free moving flag can spin unrestricted in water without the fabric billowing from the excessive viscosity it would experience. Just pure ignorance.

    As for this being a credibility test, the video he refers to was made by a man who insists Apollo wasn't hoaxed. I laugh at his explanation for this, he says for some unknown reason, he was threatened to take that position.
     
  18. Scott

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    This is too clear to obfuscate.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    Air from the passing astronaut makes the flag move. If you think you're swaying any viewers with an IQ over ninety, you're living in a dream world.


    There are two movements of the flag. The first one is at the 8:56 time mark of this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QrvGmfUxRA

    The second one can be seen at the 00:47 time mark of this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

    The second one is so clearly caused by air that the the first one is moot. Betamax is trying to draw attention away from the the movement when the astronaut is closest to the flag because he knows his sophistry isn't swaying any viewers with an IQ of ninety or over.


    Truthers can be gotten to. Look at Noam Chomsky.

    He's no moron and look what he says about 9/11*.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrZ57XxYJU

    There are other anti-establishment pundits who seem to have been gotten to too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ-R-6k48qc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxSRGgJ5gjY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTlxT7gFGk

    Here's responsible scientist talking responsibly.

    "Global Nuclear Coverup an interview with Leuren Moret"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buosgl6J3Kw#

    Here she is several years later looking like a wacko saying that the earthquake in Japan was caused by the US government.

    "Scientist Leuren Moret - Japan earthquake and nuclear "accident" are tectonic nuclear warfare.m4v"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxmeOqYtB0#ws


    I see a pattern. I think these people have been threatened; the government would only have to threaten to arrange an "Accident" for some of their loved ones to make them play ball. I would do the same. I think we have to stop taking anti-establishment pundits seriously after they've been around a while as they can be gotten to.


    The Black Knights will return.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4


    *
    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
     
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    Does that actually include you? Even Jarrah White's video shows the astronaut about 4 feet from the flag, explain the physics, specifically wave dynamics that explain how air is pushed in front of a moving body.

    Explain the lens flares. Your 'viewers' who never agree with you are eager to see you get out of the corner you are in.

    He hasn't been got at, he just knows the 'truth' movement is overrun by people with less than average critical thinking skills. What possible reason would NASA/evil government have to force a youtuber to say Apollo was real, when he has never even commented on it. The most absurd reasoning, even from you.
     
  20. Scott

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    I'd better post this again.
     

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