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All is fair in love and the climate science war?

Discussion in 'Science' started by Bowerbird, Apr 28, 2012.

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Should climate scientists have their emails published?

  1. yes

    37.5%
  2. no

    62.5%
  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    I had known about Marc Morano's little campaign of hate for some time but was taken aback that he would admit to it publicly on TV -

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...nge-sceptics-australian-tv-show?newsfeed=true

    Here is a report on Morano's tactics in relation to the late Stephen Schneider

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jul/13/climate-sceptic-morano-award
    Morano is not the only one

    http://www.physicstoday.org/resource/1/phtoad/v65/i2/p22_s1?bypassSSO=1
     
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    Don't work for a public institution and you can keep your university e-mail address from being public. Those e-mail address don't belong to the scientist. They belong to the taxpayer.
     
  3. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    And if it is a private university such as Bond?

    I would have to say that this is the most pathetic excuse for an excuse I have ever come across. No condemnation of the hate campaign just a "blame the victim" game
     
  4. fishmatter

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    Academic email addresses aren't private to begin with - the whole point is to be able to find someone at a University whose work interests you so they're published. Publishing them (even though they're public) is obviously an attempt to annoy but it's not equivalent to publishing peoples' home addresses. And spam filters work very well these days.

    As for death threats, they're bad regardless of how they're delivered. An email can often be traced, which is something. Do the climate deniers actually want to kill over the issue? Weird. Anyway the whole thing is obviously obnoxious but not illegal and it doesn't surprise me this guy's doing it. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    I have uncovered more about this

    http://theconversation.edu.au/climate-scientists-the-target-in-culture-war-1692
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    I have uncovered more about this

    http://theconversation.edu.au/climate-scientists-the-target-in-culture-war-1692
     
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    Lets end this silliness.

    [video=youtube;JfnddMpzPsM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnddMpzPsM[/video]

    Warmmongers complain about veiled threats in e-mails that they rarely if ever release. At the same time they threaten us skeptics openly and as obscenely as is humanly possible.
     
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    The nice thing about this argument is that relatively soon it will become obvious who is right. But I believe the emails containing non-veiled threats have been released - they're in the guardian article, aren't they? On the other hand I haven't seen any evidence of skeptics being threatened as obscenely as is humanly possible, so could you give me a few examples? I'm against it, of course, whether or not you're making it all up.
     
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    You dont see them blowing us up for our opinion????
     
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    I'm lost. I can't tell if you're joking or not. No, I don't see anybody blowing you up. Why, have you been threatened? I'd really like to hear about it if you have been.
     
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    Blowing skeptics up in general of which I'm a member. They have also talked about labeling us with Tattoos ala preholocost Nazi Germany.

    And in the 10:10 video I posted they fantasize about having a little red button that could just kill us. Perhaps you find it a joke. But when you are talking about a movement that has the massive force of the world governments behind it the idea of blowing up their opponents is a very real threat.

    Moving on. It seems that once again we have a thread full of warmmonger lies. This story goes back to June 2011. When warmmonger scientists in Australia claimed that they were getting death threats. It made its way through the news cycle with no evidence what so ever presented. Naturally we skeptics wanted some proof. Forgive us if we don't exactly trust the word of warmmonger scientists. First we simply requested that the University release a sample of the claimed death threats. The University quite surprisingly refused. You figure if you had such evidence you would make it public. In the rare instances where such threats were real warmmongers wasted no time making it as public as possible. So the University's refusal to prove the threats was very out of character.

    So naturally we used the thing that ever warmmonger hates despite the fact that they love to use it against their enemies, FOIA. Naturally the University denied the FIOA request. We expect that. So its been almost a year and the Privacy Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim issued his ruling. Guess what? Of the 11 e-mails supplied to Timothy Pilgrim all of them “do not contain threats to kill” and only one of them “could be regarded as intimidating and at its highest perhaps alluding to a threat”.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2012/05/pa...eats-how-11-rude-emails-became-a-media-blitz/

    So naturally we have a typical warmmonger smear. A claim was made without evidence. They then refused to show their evidence. They then fought an FIOA for as long as they could. And when it was all proven to be a lie they still pretend that it was true. Its also a microcosm of how they engage in science.
     
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    She is probably referring to the UK made advertisement that was made as a JOKE - you know bit of British humour. The dualists have been trying to use it for ages as "proof" that the "warmists are threatening us".

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/green-living-blog/2010/oct/04/10-10-activism

    ((((((shrugs)))))))))))

    The Ad is not my cup of tea and we can live without it - and ironically it would be a forgotten event save for discussions like this. However I do think it is a far cry from what is amounting to cyberbullying
     
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    Who is "we"

    Some anonymous person on the internet it demanding emails that have, in all probability been sent to the Federal Police? Just to let you know - the AFP is not like the FBI who are known as "Famous But incompetent" Once the matter is referred to the AFP they would not be able to release the Emails
     
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    Don't know about the US but here in Australia the climate change deceivers have contributed to the suicide of many Australian farmers with restrictive green legislation.
     
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    Got proof?

    Because I am betting that what you are actually seeing is the result of a government that would rather blame the farmers for cutting down trees than blame the likes of BHP or Hazelwood
     
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    Carbon dioxide, amospheric water vapour & water droplets in clouds share almost the same light absorbent frequencies so it does not matter who the government blames & punishes it will still not have much impact on climate change.
     
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    What a defeatist !! And I note you did not answer my question about proof - and probably because it was based on pub talk generated by the likes of Alan Jones
     
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    After reading your first reply a second time I am still not sure what you want the proof of.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/crazy-or-not-can-we-get-this-bloke-off-his-tree/

    Anything that makes it a lot harder for some farmers to earn a living will also make life more stressful.

    The Sun, our place in the solar system, earth's unstable magnetic fields & the passage of or solar system through the Milky Way's magnetic equator this year are of more concern to me for climate change than carbon dioxide.
     
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    Bit more to that story seems there is more involved that just preventing someone from clearing land
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ncer-up-the-pole/story-e6frg6nf-1225817155039

    Hmmmmm - like a 10 year record drought followed by record floods maybe?? Extreme weather events are part of global warming

    Okaaaaay! I will take this one at a time and slowly

    The Sun - output has not changed appreciably
    Our place in the solar system - will not change!, unless of course you are trying to refer to the Milankovitch cycles - not an issue at the moment!
    Earth's unstable magnetic fields - have not really been proven and there is NO evidence that even shifts in the magnetic poles have had a significant effect on the biosphere in the past
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
    Passage of the solar system through the Milky ways equator - WHAT BLOODY WACKED OUT SITES HAVE YOU BEEN VISITING???

    http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/will-earth-pass-through-galactic-plane-in-2012
     

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