America Does not have a violence or gun problem. America has a black problem

We have heard time and again that America has a violence and a gun problem.

I would suggest that in fact America does not have a violence or a gun problem, it, in fact, has a black problem.

What I mean is that if you look at Americas statistics on violence and rates of gun crime in comparison to other first world countries, America appears to be grossly hyper-violent and engages in a disproportionate amount of gun violence. However, if you consider the race disparity in those same countries compared to America, we see why that's the case.

The black population in America represents less than 13% of the total population in America and yet their portion of the total violent crime they commit are at these rates:

Murder: 51.1%
Rape: 28.2%
Robbery: 53.5%
Aggravated Assault: 32.1%
Burglary: 29.5%
Violent Arson: 36.4%

Moreover blacks commit anywhere from 9-57 more homicides PER 100,000 PEOPLE than whites commit depending upon which state you look at.

If we exclude of our population (the black population) from our statistics (or even simply adjust to the rate of the black population in the countries we are comparing ourselves to 13%), America's violent crime and gun violence rate decreases SO much, while decreasing our total population rate so little, that it makes our violent crime rate comparable and even less so than most other 1st world nations.

As I said, we don't have a gun or a violence problem in this country. We have a black problem.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/...arm-homicide-suicide-black-white-non-hispanic

 

So, in Montana, Wyoming, Maine, and a number of other states, white people have a higher rate of murder, violent assault, rape. Are you going to stick with your logic and say we have a white people problem in those states?

 

Than obviously we need to outlaw Blacks....

What purpose does your post serve other than trying to put down an entire group of people? It would be like stating we have a gun owner problem because a huge number of violent crimes are committed by gun owners.

 

They do not have a disproportionately rate of murder violent assault or rape. Whites represent approximately 60-65% of our total population. So we expect for them to commit rates of violence that are comparable with that rate. Which is exactly what we see and in the VAST majority of cases even less.

And in those states you mentioned the white population was even higher than 65%. Much higher in fact.

 

Uhhh no it's not even remotely the same. I'm pointing out you cannot impugne AMERICA for it's violent crime rate. There is ONE group in America that is wholly responsible for the absurd rate of violent crime in America.

If you're going to place blame, place it where fault lies. It's not America. It's black America.

 

I am sure that more murders are committed by gun owners than people that do not own guns and at a much higher percentage than murders committed by blacks. Why is my comparison any less valid than yours?

 

White people in those states kill, rape and steal and a far higher rate than white people in Switzerland, Canada, and many other countries. Why does your "logic" only apply to black people?

 

Because for a person to commit violence with a gun, he must be in possession of a gun. And that makes him the owner of the gun given that possession is 9/10's of the law.

By the way your statistics would be wrong anyway given lawful gun owners commit less than 1/5 of all gun crime.

 

Source that claim

 

White males are far more likely to commit security fraud and bank fraud in this country - should we bar white males from the financial industry?

And over 80% of black Americans will never be involved in any violent crime. Why do they have to share the blame for what other people do? Are YOU going to share the blame for every crime a white person commits?

And what happened - did stormdildoes.com get shut down today?

 

No they shouldn't be banned from the financial industry, just like blacks shouldn't be banned from owning guns.

But just like blacks should get a more severe punishment when they engage in violent crime, whites should get a more severe punishment when they engage in security fraud and bank fraud. I'd have no problem with that at all.

Why would you?

And did you seriously just state that I'm shouldn't have to share the blame for every crime a white person commits while every white person in America is being impugned and ACTIVELY punished for slavery and the actions of white people from 150+ years ago?

 

So are your stating that more than 1/5 of all Blacks are murderers?
Why are a high majority of people who participate in mass shootings white. Are whites therefore responsible for mass shootings?

You continue to compare apples and oranges. I keep pointing out similar arguments aimed at other people and you see the flaws in my logic, which was my intent, use the same process to examine the flaws in your argument.

 

I'm white and I've never been punished in any way for the actions of 150 years ago. Maybe you should start a thread on white persecution complex - you seem to be an expert.

 

Unfortunately, we can hold up a mirror for him all day long and he's just going to pretend it doesn't exist. In his mind, all black people know each other and control each other so they must all be blamed for every action a black person takes.

 

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Your logic is flawed.

Gun owners make up FAR more than 20% of the population in this country. So we would EXPECT their rate to be MORE than 20% of the gun violence. When in fact it is much less than what their total population rate would indicate.

This is not true for the black population.

You want to try again?

 

Yes you have even if you don't realize it. You're paying taxes for government programs that are EXPLICITLY discriminatory towards you because you are white and SOLELY because you are white (and sometimes because you're a male).

 

Well it helps when you use logic and statistics that actually makes sense.

 

I've done very well in this world. It has never been a detriment to be a white male.

I know you feel put upon - but maybe someday you and your fellow white males will get the representation they have so long been denied ... maybe someday one of you will even be elected to public office, or a judgeship, or maybe - and I know this is just a dream - maybe someday one of you white males will even be elected to Congress or as President.

 

No, what we need to do is stop excusing bad behavior by an unfortunately disproportionate level of violent, criminal, and antisocial behavior.

 

So you're perfectly okay with government sponsored and promoted programs that explicitly discriminate against white people because they don't impact you?

So it's perfectly fine for all of us to be okay with and promote government discrimination against blacks because it doesn't impact us. Right?

 

Is blaming an entire group of people for the actions of a small percentage of said group "logic" is your world?

I can say that one white guy in Germany was responsible for the deaths of 80 million people - and that would be true - but does that in any way lay blame on all white people for violent war?

 

If you can show where the total of all tax dollars hasn't always gone to white businesses and white concerns as compared to black Americans, then yo might have an argument. Hell, the dollars given out to white farmers alone over the years far supersedes the dollars given to any black dominant program. The hundreds of billions in bailout money given during the last recession went primarily to white controlled business. Did you make a thread about that?

 

You do realize we live in a country where all white people are vilified and blamed for the actions of white people from years ago. A country where we are LEGALLY discriminated against because of actions of white people years ago right?

 

There is a difference between a policy that does more to benefit one group than it does another and a policy which explicitly discriminates against me based upon NOTHING more than the color of my skin.

And I find it HIGHLY dishonest on your part that you think it's acceptable for those policies to be in place but if those EXACT same policies were in place and discriminated against black people you'd be screaming racism and white supremacy at the top of your lungs.

In fact you've ALREADY done that by pointing to policies in the past that unfairly discriminated against blacks. Which apparently according to you was not okay. But those EXACT same types of policies against whites today is perfectly fine because white people today deserve it because of actions that white people YEARS ago that I have NOTHING to do with committed.

 

White supremists are vilified in this country because they are dicks - not because they are white.