America has No Allies in a War with Iran!

But wasn't one of Trump's campaign promises, no more "endless wars"?

 

Where do you think the first Americans came from? Where did all the 'founding fathers' come from? Where did the writers of the Constitution come from? Where did the first congressional members come from? Where did the first Supreme Court appointees come from? Where did the first & largest business owners come from? Where did the biggest slave owners come from?

When the U.S. invades (militarily and/or economically) other nations, it plants its own puppet regime (often a brutal dictator). The U.S. doesn't want to get bogged down in an endless resistance...so the puppet regime (along with its U.S.-trained police & soldiers) fulfill the role of keeping the 'peace' so that American companies can do their thing without interference. This is the reason why the U.S. rebuilds the nations that it conquers, and continues to give 'aid' to them. The U.S. cannot profit from a nation it has invaded or created a regime change in unless there is BOTH adequate infrastructure AND 'peace' (ie, domestic security) in that nation.

Go back and educate yourself on General Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket" speech/short book. Here it is in pdf format:

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf

You'll understand how the U.S. (like European nations) has been able to exponentially, and in a relatively short time, enrich itself, and expand its influence & power.

 

Hardly. You can't even compare Trump to a REAL child. At least the child has a reason to act like a child.

 

I didn't make that comparison nor would I.

 

There is no “American Empire”.

is Norway an American puppet? What about Portugal? Turkmenistan? Maybe Brazil?

 

No...not due to "fear".

 

Norway & Portugal are part of Europe. Their governments & policies support and profit from the general Western imperialist banking/economic & business network cartel.

Norway

Norway has oil in the North Sea, which numerous oil companies have exploited with the approval of Norway as its base of operations. But profits don't stop there...

Portugal

Portugal, itself, used to be an empire spanning 50 countries (including Brazil, which, along with 7 other nations, speaks Portuguese). So yes...Portugal was imperialist & colonialist, but is still part of the European business network.

Turkmenistan

Oh...surprise!

Brazil

And again..surprise surprise!

 

Have you ever read a history that didn't begin "A People's History of..? Good Lord half the time I can't tell if you're an Alex Jones acolyte or just your standard far left loon. Good grief

 

When Trump makes a bad decision in the powder keg known as the Middle East, people die.

In October, Trump ordered a retreat of American troops in northeast Syria where they were providing support for our Kurdish allies, allies in the fight against ISIS terrorists. As a consequence of that retreat order, hundreds of our allies were killed and thousands were forced to leave their homes. They joined the sea of refugees in and around Syria.

On Friday, in accordance with Trump's orders, Iranian general, Qassem Soleimani, was assassinated by a drone strike.

Two days later, the Pentagon confirmed missile strikes on the Ain Assad Airbase in western Iraq and a base in Irbil in northern Iraq.

Iranian military commanders are extremely cognizant of American warplanes in the region, and they anticipated a reaction from U.S. forces.

Four hours after the rocket attacks on Iraqi military bases fortified by hundreds of American troops, a Ukrainian airliner was shot down soon after taking off from a Tehran airport by Russian-made anti-aircraft missiles.

"CBS News has learned U.S. officials are confident Iran shot down the jetliner in the hours after the Iranian missile attack on U.S. targets earlier this week. The plane was believed to have been mistakenly targeted."

176 people killed in the crash: 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedish, four Afghan, three German and three British nationals.

The 176 people killed are considered collateral losses of Trump's order to take out the Iranian general. Without the assassination, there would not have the attack on Iraqi military bases. Without the attack on the bases, the Iranian military forces would not have been on heightened alert. Without the heightened alert, the airliner would not have been shot down. The airliner was shot down four hours after the rocket attack.

Anyway you look at it, Trump's order caused the death 176 innocent people.

Or you can believe coincidence.

 

So are these nations colonies of the U.S. and part of the American Empire? Citizens of those counties would be disappointed to find out you said they were subjects under American rule.

 

No one is arguing that Soleimani was not a bad guy. He was. That is not the point, although that is what Trump's fans dwell on as do Republican lawmakers. They, too, argue the general needed killing.

Earlier I wrote, "When a commander is planning an operation, he must consider what he might gain as opposed to what he might ump bragged howlose."

Trump bragged how he would "obliterate" Iran if they attacked any Americans. Iran attacked Americans stationed at two Iraqi bases.

Was it worth it to have our President embarrass himself as he backed down from his threats and stated the Iranians "seemed to be standing down?" Iran launches a rocket attack and "they are standing down?" Geez, that was embarrassing. A day later they struck at the Green Zone.

Was it worth another Middle East war that is still a very real possibility unless Trump "stands down" some more?

Was it worth the lives of 176 innocent people?

 

Trump had nothing to do with that airliner being shot down.

 

I find it hilarious that the Trump haters are now upset that Trump didn't start another war.

 

Congress reminds me of bad parenting. Daddy comes home and the kids are misbehaving so he threatens them with a hiding and other dire punishments. They believe him till mommy jumps in and tells then she won't let the bad daddy hurt them. Therefore whatever behavior he was trying to correct is now legitimate behavior.

 

I suppose you can't see the simple fact that America is just an extension & continuation of centuries of European imperialism. America, Europe, and Britain's commonwealth nations are today's global empire.

For this reason, there have been attempts by some daring leaders (Mossadeq, Gaddafi, Castro, etc.) to create a break-away consortium of nations independent of the Western banking/economic cartel (what one may call the "culture of death"). Extremely wary that a successful & expanded effort to resist the Western cartel & paradigm would lead to the end (and ultimate collapse) of white-culture global hegemony, these efforts have been nipped in the bud by Western agents.

Because the world is smaller due to technology & transportation, and more volatile due to population explosion, environmental destruction, scarcity, unrest, and weaponized economics...global empires did not pose the same danger in the past as they do today. This is why it's imperative, for the well-being & benefit of ALL life-forms on planet earth, that we teach ourselves to stop allowing wealth to dictate who makes the decisions...and commit to doing what's best for all by looking for ways to begin a systematic phasing out of the monetary system & governing bodies.

The Few want us to believe the Many need them. But the Few not only do not matter...but are a serious interference to true progress if the Many continue to listen to them.

 

'systematic phasing out of the monetary system & governing bodies'

Easy. Kill everyone then you will not have the monetary system that replaced barter and no need for any structure like governing bodies. Of course many of the left have claimed that humans should perish to 'save the planet', as if the planet cared.

 

Inadvertently killing an airliner that should never have entered Tehran airspace in the first place is on Iran not Trump. Note our ally should have known better than to send the plain that way in the first place. Was it with another thousand or do lives lost to not kill Suliemanni? How many deaths do you permit a mad man before enough is enough. Please barrage fell on Iraqi bases after a warning was given so that every one coul bunker down. Had it not been for the I'll time arrival of the Ukrainian airliner the casualty total would have been zero. So yeah Trump wins and maybe just maybe Iran has learned a lesson for the future.

 

I was hoping you'd understand that not all nations require a regime change in order to establish a puppet government. Many leaders in place are already open to and eager to accept Western influence & 'protection money' ...and are well rewarded for their subservience & loyalty. If the nation has some strategic and/or monetary value to the West, then its leader either plays ball with the West, or they can expect economic sanctions, smear campaigns, Western-sponsored riots/rebellions/revolutionaries, assassination attempts, or worse...military invasion. The Western handlers need to remove some of their puppet regimes if/when they can no longer function in the capacity they were set up for per the goals of Western interests and/or planning changes.

To see how these things work, see John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" (short documentary)



Full audio book (11+ hours)
youtube.com/watch?v=62bYgbLn-fg

 

The title of the thread is "America has no allies in a war with Iran." Are you two trying to derail the thread?

Are you afraid of facing reality?

 

My point is, those people would still be alive if Trump had not order the assassination of Soleiman. Was he trying to change the subject from his Senate impeachment trial? Soleiman killed Americans in war ten to fifteen years ago.

However, I also said, "No one is arguing that Soleimani was not a bad guy. He was. That is not the point, although that is what Trump's fans dwell on as do Republican lawmakers. They, too, argue the general needed killing."

When a commander is planning an operation, he must consider what he might gain versus what he will lose.

Will the death of Soleiman cancel any Iranian plans? I seriously doubt it.

Is his death worth another Middle East war? Or will our President back down again from all his belligerent threats regarding Iran?

 

I was told America is a colonial empire and I questioned that position.

 

Humans have both the technology + the work force to make cooperation simple & to substantially reduce the amount of work necessary to provide abundance for all. (Note: Most jobs can be eliminated as unnecessary & wasteful.) Further, the effort to abolish the govt. is a simple one if the focus is to seek a means to collectively mediate & negotiate on necessary changes, rather than to enact various laws...and this requires that all decisions need to rest with the people. A 'council of wise elders' would be a good replacement for any ruling/governing body. It's function would be to provide wise council through mediation, guidance, and appropriate advice (like indigenous/tribal chiefs)...but with no mandate that requires any individual to obey should they take issue with the council.

The global population has increased from 1.6 billion in 1900 to 7.7 billion by November 2018. That's a crazy shift in numbers!! It's caused mostly by poverty (that is, an increasingly low standard of living, greater scarcity, and increasing stress & fear).

Yet people are already dying in massive numbers daily. Considering the state of our world & how humans are living, it's not surprising...but it is unnecessary, because the bulk of deaths are a result of general human short-sidedness & irresponsibility (eg, wars, crime/violence, toxins, pollution in water/air/food, cell tower radiation, medical treatment, medical & recreational drug use, vaccines, GMO's, junk food, stress, chronic illness, environmental destruction, food scarcity, wasteful consumerism, climate change catastrophes, etc.). The people are responsible for all this...but they're committing these mistakes on behalf of the ruling class.

Nevertheless...to reduce the global population to reasonable levels (ie, resource-carrying capacity) does not require killing anyone. Simply by increasing the standard of living for all and ensuring abundance for all...people will naturally have fewer children. (This can be seen in Scandinavian countries, like Norway, for example where the Norwegian govt. has had to implement a measure to reverse its negative population growth by paying its people to have more babies.) A side effect is that people will evolve to become increasingly conscientious of their impact on the environment...and will naturally choose to have fewer (if any) children. Slowly, as people die of natural causes, the global population will return to one that places virtually no burden on the earth's resources & its life-forms.

If we don't think logically and decide instead to operate on shallow emotions & petty interests, play favorites, and take sides, then we'll just end up short-changing ourselves.

 

Still puzzled why everyone agrees that the Iranian General was a "bad guy". He was in charge of numerous proxy militias in multiple countries whose function was to thwart Western-sponsored terrorist organizations...thereby, throwing a wrench into the Western strategy of destabilizing, destroying, and conquering target nations through proxy terrorist groups.

 

Not meaning to...but we all get easily derailed.

 

Nonsense neither you nor I can know that. He doesn't have to back a middle stroke with forwarding means Iran for all their seeming bellicosity already beat him to it. And thanks to the accidental stupidity of an Iranian aa crew another country is now on board with the sanctions.