American democracy is broken

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    No it doesn't. Learn how to use Google. It is a Federal Law, not an article of the Constitution or an amendment.

    https://www.history.com/news/why-do-we-vote-on-a-tuesday-in-november
     
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  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only if noted at the ballot-box by registering to vote then refusing. Which, yes, is your right.

    Any democracy must be participatory. It's not just an "idea", and when it is just an "idea" - as America has amply proved - it is worth manipulating for particular ends.

    Like making the rich richer ... !
     
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    I disagree. The right to vote is also the right to not show up and give the process legitimacy. There should be no penalty, financial or otherwise, for going about your own business and not showing up.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are no rights without obligations.

    Except for children who know no better ...
     
  5. LafayetteBis

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    Well, we are presently in the 21st century. So, we can do better.

    Election turnouts are better whenever a weekend day is made. (As verified in countries that had the courage to do so.)

    Moreover, to be absolutely sure that more Yanks vote, it should be done probably on a Sunday-afternoon and a Monday.

    Moreover, should we ever get a much needed Identity Card (based upon the SS-number accorded at birth) that would work well to reduce voting fraud.

    PS: And you think there is no such thing as Voting Fraud in the US? Then you have some reading to do. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud#United_States_3
     
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    Thankfully showing up to vote is not one of them.
     
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    There have been numerous changes to the Constitution over the years including many which are designed to make sure that ALL of our citizens including women, black people and non land owners are guaranteed a voice via their vote in our electoral process. Any changes to allow greater access are welcomed by real Americans.
     
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    You missed the most important point: It DOESN'T say that in the Constitution.
     
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    What is important is that all qualified citizens are afforded free access to voting. Whatever measures that will serve to guarantee this should be taken.
     
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    I've been corrected on that, but, especially in today's days of fast information exchange, we should be aware of how early voting can skew or alter election results and even be used to change them.
     
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    Biden admits he'll do the bidding of corp. lobbyists.

     
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    Who would Ilhan Omar be doing the bidding of?
     
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  14. LafayetteBis

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    Legitimacy is obtained when "all citizens vote". Anyone can easily cast a "null vote", that is, a blank-vote. But it is key to any democracy that the population participate in the act of voting.

    All rights have duties. Any functional nation has both. And a dysfunctional-democracy is where the vote is sufficiently minimal such that it can be maneuvered and manipulated. (See here for voter turnout by country. The US is way down at the bottom!)

    Which is also where the US is on the "Democracy Chart" because we've let BigMoney manipulate the popular-vote ...
     
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  15. LafayetteBis

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    Yeah, right! All this Debate Forum needs is YOUR FAKE NEWS ... !
     
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    He's on video saying it. Fail.
     
  17. LafayetteBis

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    Well, that makes him a First-class Jerk - doesn't it ...
     
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    Yes sir.

    Biden: "I was ready to prostitute myself."


     
  19. LafayetteBis

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    Blah, blah, blah - who the hell cares?

    Warren best deserves being elected given her platform of key national reforms. But given present mentalities in the US that aint gonna happin ...
     
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    I disagree on forcing people to vote under any legal penalty (fines or prison). I disagree that democracy has anything whatsoever to do with forcing people to vote, and more to do with ensuring that they are not actively prevented from doing so.

    On big money in politics I agree but in a roundabout way. The entire economy is built on collusion between state and industry, and the establishment of cartels in every industry. In every developed nation without exception. In this sense we have adopted fascist economics - the fusion of state and corporate power.
     
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    Rightly or wrongly, Warren was disqualified the instant she released her genetics.

    She is a white person in an increasingly intersectionally racist party, and you cannot act like that in such an environment and get away with it.

    I'd say she has approximately a 1/64 to 1/1024 chance of winning the nomination :banana:
     
  22. LafayetteBis

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    Oh wow! How quaint can one get ... to think that voting in elections is like going to see only movies that you think are interesting. Which means, indeed, anyone doing so is allowing themselves to be manipulated!

    I'll agree with your cartel statement. Which simply means that the government has allowed major sectors of the economy to aggregate by means of permitting a "buyout frenzy" over the past 2/3 decades. (Aka "Mergers&Acquisitions".)

    Which, of itself, is a repeat of the original circumstances that made Congress establish the original antitrust laws a the beginning of the 20th-century! Which are not being enforced because enforcement is at the discretion of the PotUS!

    Who gets elected by means of BigMoney in America!


    My Point: The US needs badly a vigorous anti-market consolidation that has (1) diminished real competition and means (2) the American consumer pays higher prices at the grocery store, and (3) heads of major companies earn egocentric salaries that they in no way deserve .... !
     
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    PEOPLE PLAYING WITH GUNS

    Maybe so, in an America with a mentality (about females in government) that still dates from the 18th century!

    Though I don't like to do so, I must agree on that prediction. Still, what she is doing is bringing attention to the fact that women are an integral part of American political governance (and DO NOT EXIST JUST to take care of the kids!)

    AGE CHANGE

    Moreover, Americans, if they did once know, presently do not understand the monumental effect of Ages Change (from Industrial to Informational) that is upon them. What they want is more of the same like their parents had - and that "same" is no longer there. It went to Asia in the 1990s!

    What they want is "good-paying" industrial jobs like their parents had. The exportation of which began in the 1990s and has meant the reduction of Industrial Jobs to less than 12.6% of the total from 15.1% in 2006! (If interested in a percentage breakdown of jobs by sector over a period since 1939, go here.)

    Which means what? New job creation is occuring in sectors that require advanced qualifications that can only be had by advanced (post-secondary) degrees - which in the US cost on average at state schools $14K a year. And that means what?

    That a very large section of American high-school graduates (at the bottom of the income-spectrum) are not getting into postsecondary educational programs - despite the fact that their families pay state-taxes!

    Meaning what? That postsecondary schooling should be free, gratis and for nothing (or damn close thereto)! The average wage in the US is $44.5K yearly. Here is the distribution of wages by wage-sector.

    Instead of pissing it away on the DoD, let's get the Discretionary Budget orientated towards Tertiary Education!

    AND SO?


    That above highlighted in red aint-gonna-happin whilst Donald Dork is in the White House ...
     
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    That makes no sense. Why would the vast majority of voters without wealth vote for the tiny few that are wealthy. Illogical.
     
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    This is not an Economics forum.
     

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