American gun deaths

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by LafayetteBis, Dec 9, 2018.

  1. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    Stop giving prisoners all the perks for starters. Its prison. Do like Joe Arpaio did in Maricopa County AZ.
     
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    Arizona has high gun deaths
     
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  3. Richard The Last

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    Wasn't talking about crime. I was talking about how to treat prisoners.
     
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    Ok. We incarcerate more people than any country on earth.....but maybe more of the same will work?
     
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    Again I was talking, in this specific instance, about how we treat those already locked up. I suggest we stop spending so much money on them. That would be my first money saving decision.
     
  6. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Probably in Africa, where an entire school of kids were hijacked by an ISIS warlord.

    He has yet to give them all back to their families ...
     
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    That was one incident in a continent of small poverty stricken nations

    Who else needs security screening on schools?
     
  8. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Almost 60% of jailbirds have no High-school diploma. See here from the NCES:
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    They have no workable skills, so they steal. And why?

    Because nobody gives a damn. What better moment than during jail-time is there to offer them the opportunity to study for a high-school level diploma. (Perhaps even with skills training.)
     
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  9. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good question. Now answer it ... !
     
  10. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it's the only incident that I know of where kids were seriously injured. None died but the girls have not been released except to parents who paid a ransom.

    All secondary-schools in America should have security-clearance machines. They are very simple devices to install.

    The problem lies in the fact that states have the responsibility for local security in schools, and (supposedly) those states in a tax-income bind don't have the money.

    Or, so they say. And I say, make such protection a national law that states protect the kids, and the Federal government puts up the money for a percentage of the cost beyond 50% (but not 100%).

    But that is not just the problem of local security for kids-at-school. Around 93% of American kids are getting a HS-diploma (source NCES here) - but fewer than 50% go on to a postsecondary education.

    As I never tire of saying: Tertiary level education (Trade school, Associates, Bachelors, Masters and Doctorate) must be free, gratis and for nothing* if we are to prepare the nation for the Information Age which is already upon us ...

    *Or some mix of prepaid and family-paid tuition based upon parental income level. From The Nation (April, 2017):
     
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  11. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That could become a reality if the Dems win "BigEnough" in 2019 nationally, along with a Dem PotUS.

    I have no expectation whatsoever of such happening however.

    NB: From the NCES about national educational attainment achievement (here):
    NB1:Careful how you read those percentages. That 38/46% who have an "Associates Degree or higher" breaks down to the following two percentages by degree level and the two numbers do not really add-up!
     
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    50/50?

    A Tertiary-level education starts after high-school. It could be either a return to get a high-school level qualification, or also to get rudimentary skill-training. Like driving a bulldozer or a medical-services job.

    Better yet, however, the higher one goes in preparatory education, the better the individual's payscale. That is axiomatic in any nation. But inadequate family or personal finances should not be a barrier to higher levels of education. Like Healthcare, Education is a moral-imperative that a nation should provide its people.And it is far, far more important than joining a military-service just so - IF you survive - you can benefit from government sponsorship of your tertiary education.

    That post-secondary education should be a "given", paid for out general tax-revenues at both the state and national level (50/50?) - such that it is free, gratis and for nothing. For all and sundry, that this the poorest to the richest. Not to worry, the rich will want to pay through the nose to go to "Hah-vahd".

    So, the poorest who need most will have the opportunity to escape poverty once and for all.

    Don't forget - 50 to 55% of our youth do not get past a high-school education and a great many end-up under the Poverty Threshold earning on average $24K per family of four or less ... !
     
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  13. Richard The Last

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    Because those causes are not what sell news or draw attention to politicians. We need massive deaths for the news media and our elected officials to take notice.
     
  14. LafayetteBis

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    There is more-than-enough of school-deaths from massive-murder in the media. That is a non-issue.

    The real issue is what does AMERICA want to do about it,

    And the response is barely a whisper ...
     
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    45,000 peoplekill themselves each year over half of them use a gun to do it,about 125 every day.For each successful suicide there are 25 attempted suicides.70% of those who kill themselves are white males.We have twice as many suicides each year than there are homicides.
     
  16. Richard The Last

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    And?
     
  17. LafayetteBis

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    And there is neither anything that can be done nor will be done to confiscate the prime-mover of that fact posted.

    Wanna live in the US? Then put-up with the gun-kill rate! Accept it as a fact of life ... and death!

    Who knows, R T L - maybe you're next ... ?
     
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    Of course there's plenty of other countries to live in if you don't like that. Isn't that right?
     
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    Oh please, the gun homicide rate isn't actually all that high in the rural areas where most of those guns are.
     
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    And of those, a portion of them would have still ended it even if they didn't have a gun.

    This is not the same argument behind homicides. Now you're talking about protecting individuals from themselves.
    Same sort of argument behind banning fries to reduce heart attacks, and banning soda to help reduce obesity.
     
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    Education isn't truly about about growing the economy, it's about trying to reduce inequality.
    Just admit it.
     
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  22. LafayetteBis

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    I think you may be ignoring the factual evidence.

    See the gun-rate death of major countries compared in the infographic here:

    How The U.S. Compares With The Lowest Rates Of Violent Gun Deaths Worldwide

    For instance (Violent gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2016):
    UK - 0.07
    USA - 3.85

    In which country would YOU rather live ... ?
     
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    At this point I'm pretty cynical about it. I think just few actually care much.
    But then why should we care so much about those gun deaths that are just a fraction of the suicides and economic suffering?
     
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    How about in which neighborhood of the U.S. would I want to live?
     
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    We've already gone over in several other threads why these types of figures are misleading.

    You're counting deaths, not just homicides, and you're only counting deaths committed with a gun, when you know many of those deaths would still be there in the statistics even if those people had not used guns.

    You're also cherry picking a country like the UK to compare to the USA. The USA is not like the UK. The USA is more like a mix of the UK combined with Latin America, mixed with a little bit of Africa.
    Viewed from that perspective, comparatively the rate in the USA is not really that high.
     
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