American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

You know when you've debunked traitorous "Israel Firsters" & Hasbara Trolls when they start howling unsupported nonsense about "Jew hatred", "anti Semite".

Israel's deliberate mass murder of American G.I.s has become an irrefutable fact with the declassification of tapes proving that the Israelis knew that they were killing Americans.

Only the most traitorous of American Israel Firsters or the most shameless of Hasbara Trolls could still consider that the deliberate Israeli attack was an "accident" after:

1. Israeli planes circled the clearly marked USS Liberty flying it's 13' American flag for 8 hours on a day with perfect visibility.

2. One ethical & courageous Israeli pilot refused to participate in the massacre & was arrested upon his return to Israel (1)

3. The Israelis strafed lowered life rafts in an effort to leave no survivors; another war crime. (2)

4. American tapes record that the Israeli ground control and Israeli pilots knew that they were murdering American G.I.s (3)

5. The Israelis knew they were attacking the American USS Liberty because they knew & jammed its radio frequencies known only to Americans & Israelis.

6. "Surviving crew members were later threatened with court-martial, imprisonment, or worse if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government."(4)

It is precisely because the USS Liberty survivors have been betrayed by their Israeli "allies" and their own government that they deserve justice and formal apology after those who participated in this heinous betrayal are exposed, tried & prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

America can no longer afford to be manipulated, betrayed & preyed upon by its most insidious adversary, its 52 Zionist lobbies and infestation of traitorous, Zionist Fifth Columnists.
America's G.I.s sent to the Mid East deserve real allies.... not parasitic backstabbers.

(1) "Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED


(2) "Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty"
Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry
http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/ul-qa.html

EXCERPT "After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range."CONTINUED


(3) "Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident"
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...erty-no-accident/article/414951#ixzz5bdyQJouQ

EXCERPT "A Special Report by the Chicago Tribune details declassified cables, from the Israeli State Archive, which add further evidence that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship as it attacked the USS Liberty.

And Steve Forslundan, an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, said that the Israeli military:

“"made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying. There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace."

"The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?' And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"CONTINUED


(4) "NEW EVIDENCE PROVES ISRAEL ATTACKED USS LIBERTY WITH ORDERS TO KILL 294 AMERICANS"
http://www.mintpressnews.com/new-ev...uss-liberty-orders-kill-294-americans/198757/

 

Pardon me if I don't always believe intelligence developed fifty years after the fact.

 

No. What you have found is someone that has been around the block enough times to be suspicious, especially when other anti Jewish propaganda is thrown which has nothing to do with the attack.

I have heard conspiracy theories most of my adult life and after a while I have become inoculated. Unless, it happened very recently, I pay no attention to them.

We can investigate until we are blue in the face and when they finally start digging, they start seeing gigantic holes in the stories. In the meantime, congress or whoever is doing the investigating wastes a lot of time about something which happened a long time ago and which, even if true, there is not a damn thing which can be done about it because most of those involved are dead and gone.

I refuse to hate a whole group of people over something which might or might not have happened a long time ago.

Now if you want to investigate something I take very personally, investigate Jane Fonda. I lost a lot of friends and acquaintances in Vietnam and she gave comfort and aid to the enemy. Every time I see that smiling face looking up over an anti aircraft gun, I would like to shove a fifty caliber round down her throat.

 

The intelligence wasn't developed fifty years after the fact.

 

Without a common sense reasonable motive then no claim of a conspiracy should be taken seriously.

And there is no motive for the Israelis to attack the U.S.S. Liberty during the Six Day War.

 

Baseless accusations of Antisemitism are the go-to strategy for Israel's apologists. When they cannot argue facts, evidence, and logic, they just resort to name-calling. It's a sure sign that the truth is not on their side.

 

The motive was to frame the Egyptians and to destroy Nasser's government in Egypt once and for all.

 

We are just now seeing it. That is fifty years after the fact.

 

Perhaps YOU are just now seeing it, but others have known about it for decades.

 

Others with unknown motives and with an evidence chain fifty years long.

 

The motives of the survivors of the USS Liberty are to pursue the truth and to obtain justice for their fallen brothers. Why are you so opposed to their efforts?

 

Because I have sincere doubts about the ability to make such a determination.

 

That makes no sense. When Liberty was attacked, the Egyptians were totally defeated by Israel already. And you aren't the one clinging to the ridiculous claim that the U.S. was going to launch a nuclear attack on Cairo were you?

Finally, just what would make the U.S. blame Egypt?

 

Because it was 50 years ago and the U.S. government has already held that the attack was an accident by Israel.

Be honest here.

Would you accept any new findings that absolved Israel of deliberately and knowingly attacking the U.S.S. Liberty?

 

Seeking justice for the Liberty crew survivors and exonerating the ethical Israeli pilot who refused to participate in the deliberate massacre has nothing to do with "anti Jewish propaganda".
A Jewish member of the Liberty crew was especially distressed as this ruthless act of Israeli betrayal so this atrocity has to do with national differences, not ethnic or religious differences.

I, too served in & lost friends in S.E. Asia but that was then and American G.I.s are currently embroiled in the Mid East where the reliability of an ally is critical and Israel has proven to be no reliable ally.

How many Americans would the Israeli government be willing to sacrifice in that volatile region to serve its interests today?

It was only 13 years before the Liberty attack that Israel firebombed US Installations in Egypt & tried to blame it on the Egyptians to engender US - Egyptian hostilities. (Lavon Affair)
Israel's initial use of unmarked planes to attack the Liberty was a much more murderous operation to achieve the same deceptive objective just as they clearly intended to leave no survivors of the 294 man crew by strafing lowered life rafts.
After all, they were just following orders to "leave no survivors."

More recently, Israeli lobbies manipulated America into fighting a disastrous, wasteful war(1) & currently, the same Israeli lobbies have just as quietly had US Troops stationed on Israeli soil to " ...die for Israel."(2), (3)
What is unusual about this one sided machination is that American G.I.s are to be placed under Israeli command in the event of hostilities Israel's government has been known to provoke.

The lives of America's sons & daughters in uniform are far to valuable to be relegated as cannon fodder for a nation with such a thankless history of grisly betrayal of the US.

Numerous subsequent betrayals have proven that the Israeli government cannot be trusted to value American lives as US Commanders would especially when Israel's interests conflict with America's interests.


(1) “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003


(2) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/


(3) "AMERICAN TROOPS HERE TO DEFEND ISRAEL"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5151907,00.html

 

Do you have actual evidence of this? I've never heard what you've repeatedly referred to by this.

 

This does.

 

Howling "anti Semite" & "Jew hater" has simply become the white flag of every debunked Israel Firster.

There is no element of "anti Jewish propaganda" in anything I've written.

You & your fellow "Israel Firsters" simply can't refute the fact that Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty was an inexcusable demonstration of Israeli treachery & that the 52 Israeli lobbies who dominate US policy making have succeeded in repressing the truth for 50 years & establishing American G.I.s on Israeli soil to die for Israel.


"An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;

nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”


- Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011

 

It had nothing to do with the subject matter. It was thrown in strictly as an anti-Jewish bias factor.

And this just adds further evidence.

We have American GIs all over the world. All prepared to die because that was the contract we signed with our government. Some countries I favor and some I don't. Such is the world and the fate of GIs who signed that contact.

As far as "Israel Firsters" goes, I am a 'US Firster". I resent you saying otherwise.

 

Why should I bother when you either deny, forget or ignore every single fact I've posted?

Two close friends who are high ranking US Military Officer (Generals) in the Pentagon and have served in Israel stated that AIPAC lobbied for placing US Troops in Israel just like they lobbied to have Americans to fight Iraq:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

What loyal American would want Americans to die for Israel......again?

This the third different source I've posted confirming the same facts:

"Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel

EXCERPT "US Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark spelled out just such a scenario wherein US troops could be asked to fight and to die for defense of (*) Israel - even to the point of being placed under Israeli commanders responsible for battlefield decision making.

Should broader war break out between Israel, Hezbollah, Iran, and Syria, will US troops who find themselves working closely with the IDF be forced to obey the commands of Israeli generals, even to the point of death? We can't find anything in the oath of enlistment or the Constitution [federal statute in 10 U.S.C. 502, and based in Article VI of the Constitution] that requires US citizens or soldiers to defend and fight for a foreign nation."CONTINUED
(*) "America" is scratched out in the original article

 

Yes, the US has bases around the world, but nowhere else are they to be placed under control of foreign officers except in Israel as I supported in the previous post.


One can only be loyal to one country at a time & you've already made your true loyalties perfectly clear.

 

I guarantee you, regardless of what your source may say, they are not under direct control of any foreign officers. As far as fighting for foreign nations, that has happened many times and will happen again.. I "fought for" South Vietnam. I worked with them. I coordinated with them, but whether I did what they wanted was up to me or the US officers I worked for. I suspect the US military in Israel will be working the same way.

 

Maybe from your perspective, but not mine. You might hate the Jews, but I do not.

In fact, the thread has USS Liberty in its title. Are you blind, or just anti-Semitic?

 

I'd prefer an investigation into the staged Gulf of Tonkin Incident that affected millions of Americans, but that ain't gonna do shat either.

 

Isn't the horse rather 'out of the barn' all these years later? Next do you want to retry Calley for My Lai?