"AMERICAN TROOPS BECOME IDF'S HUMAN SHIELDS"

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    The average American reader can be excused for missing the quiet transfer of US Troops to Israel with the sole mission of defending Israel after they are placed under control of IDF officers.(1)
    The insidious machinations of AIPAC and "the 52" are rarely publicized in America's pro Israel MSM.
    Israel is no free to continue its ethnic cleansing of Gaza, attacks on S. Lebanon & forays into Syria with the knowledge that with the first American casualty, hired Israeli propagandists can now say that their acts of aggression have now become America's War.
    With US Troops stationed on Israeli soil, Israel, now, can attack Iran knowing that American casualties will compel America into fighting ANOTHER war for Israel:

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

    How many Americans expected their children serving in the US Military to die fighting for Israeli ethnic cleansing, aggression & expansionism?

    "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/

    EXCERPTS "In addition, Israel has been laying the groundwork for an invasion of Syria since last year and is largely responsible for the current conflict in Syria that has raged on for seven years. Israel’s current push to invade Syria is also based on flimsy evidence suggesting that Iran is establishing bases in Syria to target Israel.

    Israel has also been preparing for a conflict on the embattled Gaza strip, which – owing to the effects of Israel’s illegal blockade and the devastation wrought by past wars – is set to be entirely uninhabitable by 2020.

    Beyond the fact that Israel is preparing to go to war with several countries simultaneously is the fact that U.S. ground troops are now “prepared to die for the Jewish state,” according to U.S. Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark.

    However, more troubling than the fact that U.S. troops stand ready to die at Israel’s behest was Clark’s assertion that Haimovitch would “probably” have the last word as to whether U.S. forces would join the IDF during war time. In other words, the IDF will decide whether or not U.S. troops become embroiled in the regional war for which Israel is preparing, not the United States.

    Indeed, Haimovitch buoyed Clark’s words, stating that: “I am sure once the order comes we will find here U.S. troops on the ground to be part of our deployment and team to defend the state of Israel.”CONTINUED
     
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    Just Another Anti Israeli nonsense thread.
    Next .

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    Again, you can't refute a word I've said & supported.

    Please feel free to show where American troops ARE NOT in Israel.
     
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    Israeli children mock 9/11 victims in a holiday costume:


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    America's Israeli enemies can never get enough of celebrating American deaths while their supporters on this forum defend them.
     
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    American troops are in Turkey, Egypt, Syria, South America, Europe and all over the world.
    I hope the American troops also visit Israel.. great food, beaches and beautiful girls..
     
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    Yes, I realize that Israel has many attributes including archeological wonders.
    I intended to visit Israel after I had spent 10 - 11 months wandering through Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon etc however was unable to after being caught up in the "'73 War".

    Israel enjoys its significant wealth largely as a result of having extracted $ Trillions from German(1) & U.S.(2) citizens over the decades.
    Few people know that it was the Germans who, in reality, "...made the deserts bloom" while Zionist terrorist gangs were busy massacring native Palestinians & stealing their land.
    It was the Germans who built virtually all of Israel's early infrastructure, gave Israel over 60 ships, electric power plants, grid work, steel mills, railways, trains to go on the railways, roads & vital military supplies.(3)

    The primary difference between US Troops being stationed in Israel is their mission is to further illegal Israeli expansionism, aid in Israel's ongoing aggression against Syria, native Palestinians, S. Lebanon.

    Another difference is that no where else are US Troops planned to be under the command of military officers of a foreign country.

    I note that US Troops are being used by Israel as "Human Shields" because now Israel can attack any of its neighbors & know that with the first American killed, they can effectively dupe Americans into fighting those same expansionist wars of Israel's creation.

    As an American Veteran, I remember the oath of enlistment.
    Nowhere does it require that US G.I.s be used as foreign mercenaries under foreign commanders to fight wars of foreign aggression or Occupation.



    (1) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


    (2) “The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion”
    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.palestine/2005-08/msg00005.html

    EXCERPT “While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.
    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars. “CONTINUED


    (3) “German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation”
    http://www.bits.de/public/articles/cast06-02.htm

    EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED
     
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    Again ?? "As an American Veteran" ... Please ..
    Your Islamo Propaganda and hatred towards the Jewish state is known ... Just hear this facts ( Instead of the Arabo BS you wrote ) -
    Israel enjoys its significant wealth not because of Germany .. Because most of the Israelis are hard working ... they invest in education and they do not
    cry and moan all day like their Paleshtino Bedouin neighbors.
    True.. Some old camp holocaust surrvivors recieve "renta" ( small allowance ) ... i think they should get it .. don't you ??
    Did you know that the Palestinian leader, Abu Adolf Mazen, is the only person in the world who has an academic degree whose subject is Holocaust denial ?
     
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    Not only are you completely unable to refute anything I've written & supported but now, you're deliberately misrepresenting my views.

    I have repeatedly expressed my support for an Israel within legitimate borders & only condemned Israel's Right Wing, extremist Netanyahu-Lieberman regime for its war mongering, parasitism & expansionism.

    I strongly oppose supporting that same war mongering Right Wing regime because it has effectively sidelined ethical, peace seeking Israelis to the detriment of Israel's long term best interests.

    I have already supported the fact that Germany built most all of Israel's early infrastructure that included power plants, grid work, highways, railroads & the trains to go on them, steel mills, over 60 ships, an endless supply of weaponry & irrigation systems to: "...make the desert bloom"

    While the Germans were busily building Israel's early infrastructure, Zionist Terrorist Gangs were free to massacre Palestine's native residents & steal their land.

    Of course I don't object to what you refer as "renta" for old holocaust survivors.
    Regrettably, the reason it is a "small allowance" is due to egregious fraud within the Holocaust Industry's Claims Conference(1). Meanwhile, I fail to see how the beliefs of others regarding the 20th century, European holocaust narrative are relevant to the topic at hand.

    The fact remains that AIPAC & "the 52" who drive US Foreign Policy have now manipulated Americans into defending Israel(2) so that it can continue to attack its neighbors with the knowledge that the US will fight Israeli initiated wars & defend Israel from retaliation resulting from its ongoing acts of Israeli aggression.

    Once again, through the parasitic machinations of AIPAC & "the 52", gullible Americans have had their sons & daughters in uniform hijacked & deployed as mercenary "Human Shields" for aggressive, Israeli War mongers intent on getting the US to fight Iran.

    Now the Israelis can attack whomever they like with the knowledge that any retaliation that kills an American will bring more Americans to fight their wars under the command of Israeli officers.

    It is an irrefutable reality that insatiable Zionist schemers & their army of scripted, paid & trained Hasbara disinformation agents have effectively duped America into fighting Israel's wars of aggression & expansion from Israeli soil with American blood.



    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (2)"AMERICAN TROOPS HERE TO DEFEND ISRAEL"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5151907,00.html

    EXCERPT "American tactical officers take to the stage, and say they're here to defend the State of Israel and its sovereignty as if they were fighting for their own country. They say they'll do anything to defend Israel. It's moving," he said."CONTINUED


    (3) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel

    EXCERPT "US Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark spelled out just such a scenario wherein US troops could be asked to fight and to die for defense of America Israel - even to the point of being placed under Israeli commanders responsible for battlefield decision making.

    US Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark spelled out just such a scenario wherein US troops could be asked to fight and to die for defense of America Israel - even to the point of being placed under Israeli commanders responsible for battlefield decision making.

    his words come as Israel is already actively involved on two fronts: Gaza and Syria. And according to many analysts and reports, including one recently leaked internal Israeli defense memo, Israel is ramping up for devastating engagement along a third front as Tel Aviv continues to view Lebanese Hezbollah to its north as the prime threat to Israeli security.

    Should broader war break out between Israel, Hezbollah, Iran, and Syria, will US troops who find themselves working closely with the IDF be forced to obey the commands of Israeli generals, even to the point of death? We can't find anything in the oath of enlistment or the Constitution [federal statute in 10 U.S.C. 502, and based in Article VI of the Constitution] that requires US citizens or soldiers to defend and fight for a foreign nation."CONTINUED
     
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    An American vetern, it seems like that the ONLY ISSUES you write and comment about is Israel and the sooo poor ( I shed my tears again ) Paleshtino Bedouins.
    The words "massacre Palestine's native residents & steal their land" is taken from the Palesh-tino Jihado Islamo Arabo wall of lies.
    Please read the latest news in the Middle East .. you will see that Abu Adolf Mazen is the cause for not wanting to enter food and fuel into the Gaza strip.
    Do not take it personally but Arabs are known for stabing a knife in the back.
    I did not see you ( If you care so much ) writing posts about what's wrong in Syria ... the Syrian genocide ... Iran and the way it treats women and gays ... Egypt's suffering Christians ..
    Muslim Boko Haran terror in Nigeria, Hamas a well known terror orginazation, Hezbollah the Shia terror army in Lebanon, Muslim ISIS and what they do to civilians in Iraq and other places,
    The Muslim terror in Europe, etc... etc...
    We are fed up with Anti Israeli propaganda.
    We know who are the real enemies of freedom... their supporters will also be taken care of.
     
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    Actually, I have a wide range of interests about which I have written such as support of the 2nd Amendment, opposition to censorship & numerous other topics.

    However, because Israel manages to extract the most blood & money out of the US & the volatile Mid East is the most likely destination for my family members in the US Military, I devote a significant amount of time to America's greatest threats & most insidious & detrimental parasites.

    This thread outlines the extreme degree by which Israeli lobbies, Ziono-Cons & "Israel Firsters" drive US Foreign policy to America's severe detriment.

    Trying to obfuscate US funded Israeli war crimes, ethnic cleansing, land theft & aggression by pointing out the criminality of others not so heavily funded by the US is a common and puerile Hasbara ruse similar to "But Johnny did it too!" and does not excuse US subsidized Israeli criminality.

    Attempting to blame the survivors of the Nakba (aka Palestinian Holocaust) for their current misery at the hands of FOREIGN, Zionist Terrorist Gangs & the subsequent IDF is like blaming the European holocaust on the Jews.

    Meanwhile, Israel created Hamas(1) because Arafat was willing to make peace which is anathema to a state committed to ethnic cleansing & expansionism. Surely you've heard of Israel's expanding, illegal Settlements which continue to mushroom in a deliberate effort to avoid Peace.

    Hezbollah, on the other hand is defensive in nature, spends half of its budget on Social Services(2) for the unfortunate Lebanese survivors of repeated, murderous Israeli attempts to seize the Litani River basin while intentionally massacring thousands of Lebanese civilians after being routed by rag tag Hezbollah resistance fighters in 2006.

    None of this, including the US-Israeli-Saudi supported ISIS has anything to do with the topic at hand which is that through the insidious machinations of Israeli lobbies, traitorous US "Israel Firsters" & America's bellicose gaggle of Ziono-Cons, young American G.I.s have become IDF's Human Shields so that the war mongering Netanyahu-Lieberman regime is free to attack whomever they like with the knowledge that the incidental death of any American will, once again, result in the US fighting ANOTHER war resulting from Israeli aggression & AIPAC machinations.



    (1) "How Israel helped create Hamas"
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-helped-create-hamas/?utm_term=.cd6f4d419e95

    EXCERPT "Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise." CONTINUED



    (2) "Hezbollah"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
    EXCERPT "Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings – it also boasts an extensive social development program. Hezbollah currently operates at least four hospitals, twelve clinics, twelve schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance program. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members."[126]

    According to CNN, "Hezbollah did everything that a government should do, from collecting the garbage to running hospitals and repairing schools."CONTINUED
     
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    You know that even Hamas, which you so admire, do not call the Nakba - Palestinian Holocaust.
    Only an extremest ignorant and uneducated person can make the comparison.
    You waste all of our time in false, unrealistic claims that stem from a hatred that burns in your body like a friend of Ku Klux Kanne .
     
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    If you are going to repeatedly refer to an odious organization such as the Ku Klux Klan, you should at least know how to spell it.
    Additionally, I don't see how the suffering & ethnic cleansing of one group of people is any more profound than another simply because of their ethnic / Religious makeup or background.
    Both Palestinians & Jews were executed, had their property stolen, their homes seized and/or were expelled from their homes of generations in their respective holocausts.

    If any of my claims have been "false" or "unrealistic", you should have been able to refute them long ago.

    Re:
    Perhaps you have lost track of the dozens of hate filled anti Palestinian - anti Islamic threads you have started.

    The irrefutable truths I have illustrated have no basis in hate but rather a loyalty to America's best interests & the best interests of the Americans who serve in America's military.
    Neither of those interests are served by America's troops aiding and abetting in Israel's ethnic cleansing, land theft, war mongering & regional aggression.
    It is equally chilling that US Troops are to be put under command of Israeli Officers when hostilities erupt:

    "However, more troubling than the fact that U.S. troops stand ready to die at Israel’s behest was Clark’s assertion that Haimovitch would “probably” have the last word as to whether U.S. forces would join the IDF during war time. In other words, the IDF will decide whether or not U.S. troops become embroiled in the regional war for which Israel is preparing, not the United States."(1)

    Even though I have very close relatives who are in the US Military, I can't think of any loyal American who want's American G.I.s to serve as cannon fodder for Israel's Right Wing insatiable Regional ambitions.

    Are you American or Israeli?


    (1) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/
     
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    Do not add the word "Palestinians" with the word Holocaust.
    850000 - 1000000 Jews were expelled from their houses in Arab countries during the Jewish Nakba, If you want to be fare .. Get out and demonstrate that
    they will be given their houses and land back.
    Why should ONLY the Palesh-tino Bedouins recieve what they claim is theirs ?
    The few Arabs who lived in the holy land during 1948 escaped because of the war, when you fight on the wrong side you have to pay the price.
    Do you support UNWRA and their wish to remain Gazans "refugees" forever ?
     
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    Neither the Palestinian holocaust nor the Jewish holocaust are the topic at hand.

    Additionally, in spite of the massive recent invasion of foreign Zionist Terrorist Gangs & militant Jewish colonists, there were still over twice as many Arabs as there were Jews in Palestine in 1948:

    "By 1948, the population had risen to 1,900,000, of whom 68% were Arabs, and 32% were Jews (UNSCOPreport, including Bedouin)." (1)

    Prior to that foreign invasion of European Jews, native Palestinian Jews comprised only 2% - 3% of Palestine's 1880 population. What may or may not have happened to Jews elsewhere in the world is not relevant to Palestine - Israel.

    Re:
    I am familiar with UNWRA but am unclear as to what you mean by: "...their wish to remain Gazans "refugees" forever ?"

    Finally, none of this has anything to do with the fact that Israel's Right Wing extremists in & out of Israel have quietly succeeded in having US Troops aiding & abetting IDF's war crimes and acts aggression.
    Fighting for "Greater Israel" is neither the US Military's mission nor is it in America's best interests.

    (1) "Demographic history of Palestine (region)"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
     
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    I thought it was against Israeli law for any foreign troops to be on Israeli soil???
     
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    Arab Jews left in 1948, 1953, 1956, 1967 and 1973... The dates matter.

    "As the Arabs see the Jews"
    His Majesty King Abdullah,
    The American Magazine

    November, 1947


    Summary

    This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the state of Israel) is because of longstanding religious or ethnic hatred. He notes that Jews and Muslims enjoyed a long history of peaceful coexistence in the Middle East, and that Jews have historically suffered far more at the hands of Christian Europe.

    Pointing to the tragedy of the holocaust that Jews suffered during World War II, the monarch asks why America and Europe are refusing to accept more than a token handful of Jewish immigrants and refugees. It is unfair, he argues, to make Palestine, which is innocent of anti-Semitism, pay for the crimes of Europe.

    King Abdullah also asks how Jews can claim a historic right to Palestine, when Arabs have been the overwhelming majority there for nearly 1300 uninterrupted years? The essay ends on an ominous note, warning of dire consequences if a peaceful solution cannot be found to protect the rights of the indigenous Arabs of Palestine.

    continued

    http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
     
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    That's what I thought and there has not been a whisper of this disgraceful exploitation in US MSM.

    It may have been against Israeli law to have foreign troops on Israeli soil at one time but we both know how hard Israel's Right Wing has worked to conflate Israel's aggressive & expansionist agenda with the US Military's global mission.

    This is bound to embolden already aggressive Likud war mongers in that Israel can attack Syria, Lebanon and/or even Iran with the full knowledge that any retaliation can be distorted as an attack on American Forces:

    "However, he [Brig. Gen. Tzvika Haimovitch, head of the IAF's Aerial Defense Command] said, the permanent presence of a US base on Israeli soil sends a "message to the region and our surroundings that our partnership with our friend the United States is important."(1)

    US Lt. Gen. Richard Clark who was in Israel went even further to say that American troops should be prepared to "...die for Israel" and even placed under command of Israeli officers in the event of hostilities.(2)

    I cannot think of any other time in modern history that America's sons & daughters in the US Military have been so basely relegated to be mercenaries for such corrupt foreign war mongers.

    Meanwhile, Netanyahu has made his sentiments concerning the US - Israeli alliance crystal clear:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

    Thanks...


    (1) "US establishes first permanent military base in Israel"
    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-base-in-israel-air-defense-negev-desert-2017-9


    (2) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel

    EXCERPT "US Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark spelled out just such a scenario wherein US troops could be asked to fight and to die for defense of (America)* Israel - even to the point of being placed under Israeli commanders responsible for battlefield decision making."CONTINUED

    * In the original article, "America" is scratched out
     

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