America's Russia Derangement Syndrome

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dana usually is a woman's name.
     
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    Yes

    The frigid little woman who screwed up every project she touched

    But overlooked bills understandable lust for other women because he took her to the white house
     
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    the ads themselves didn't need to be complex. Guess you didn't read the indictments.
     
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    If you believe Browder, you believe a proven Liar - But what the Hell ! - If it fits your narrative :(

    What does the OP think ?
    Probably close to what any human being who does not remain Willfully Ignorant of the facts
    and so heavy into the Ovine end of their Genome that they readily follow & believe the fare
    that's fed to them by their Sheep Dog Media

    That being said , the whole affair is just so much used toilet paper given to the Sheep to brush
    their teeth with, for the purpose of stoking the flames of Russophobia

    I
    f it fits the current preferred narrative - Eat it, Pump it & Push it - that's a good shill
    Your Puppet Masters really have you little lamb Sock Puppets tied tight don't they :)

    Just be aware when your handlers find it necessary to resort the Black Art of Censorship
    ........and prevent the other side of the story from coming to light - your case suffers Fatally
    ............................................................................................................................you guys can't even keep the gender of your Pooh Bahs straight



    Read the Articles - Learn of the Crap you peddle
    Guardians of the Magnitsky Myth - Browder proven a hedge fund shister & liar
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/21/guardians-of-the-magnitsky-myth-2/
    In pursuit of Russia-gate, U.S. mainstream media embraces any attack on Russia and
    works to ensure Americans don’t hear the other side of the story, as with the Magnitsky
    myth, reported Robert Parry on Oct. 28, 2017.

    As Russia-gate becomes the go-to excuse to marginalize and suppress independent and
    dissident media in the United States, a warning of what the future holds is the blacklisting
    of a documentary that debunks the so-called Magnitsky case.



    A Blacklisted Film and the New Cold War
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/02/a-blacklisted-film-and-the-new-cold-war/




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  5. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There you go sir. That is all I was asking from the OP, but instead, he just ignored me after making a couple of silly nonresponsive posts. I read your articles and they were pretty non specific and as one sided as this western MSM that you are always railing against. From my own independent investigation, I deduced that Browder was another of the many percentage swindlers that descended on Russia directly after the fall of the USSR and was no doubt not one of the most honest or altruistic guys in the world. Even after I read his book, I didn't take his word as gospel. One of the big deals brought up by your articles was that Magnitsky was portrayed as a lawyer instead of an accountant which he actually was. When I first learned about the story I heard and read that he was an accountant. And what the hell difference does it make anyway? By making such a big deal about that, it makes what they say more suspect in my book. The point is and the real question is: Was he falsely imprisoned and tortured to death for exposing corruption or was he a crook who was arrested on valid charges who died of natural causes in jail. I have not seen any concrete evidence either way yet. However, when I asked about his take, the smarmy, know it all op responded with silly insulting quips and insults about sheeple and other trademark standards from the Alex Jones playbook. Then he skulked away without addressing my questions at all. I am always willing to hear the other side so please cool it with the condescending crap about my methods or motives. Also your silly annoying posting style does nothing but make you look like another slick, **** slinging Intel agent from Russia. Why not just say what you have to say without all of the idiotic theatrics.
     
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  6. Fred C Dobbs

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    I often listen to the BBC and am always disappointed at what they're telling the British people. It's no wonder so many Brits don't like Trump or the American people. This is not a recent occurrence either.
     
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    You'll have to take that up with him, Jack.
     
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    The once-respected national broadcaster, which used to earn that respect owing to its impartiality, has become the obedient mouthpiece of whichever government is in power, and its top echelons are now a part of the establishment elite; this fits in with the dumbing down agenda, and the British people have been infantilized, therefore (just like children are gullible and trusting) they will believe without question everything their 'surrogate parents' ie the government and officialdom in general, tells them to believe. Think 'social engineering'??
     
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    By some estimates Putin has over $200 billion in offshore accounts which could be subject to the Magnitsky Act, this is why he rails against it. Magnitsky was an accountant and this is important because he examined the figures and reached a conclusion as an accountant. Figuring out the taxes due from foreign investors in artificially depreciated Russian parastatals is not simple and likely the product of negotiated 'arrangements' for tax/bribes. I expect Magnitsky uncovered these deals and traced the disappearance of Browder's investment fund's fiscal contributions. No doubt Browder was a "percentage swindler" and he jumped right in to Russia's post-Soviet privatization scheme as they shed money-losing liabilities to ambitious industrialists who promised to keep the old Soviet industrial flagships Russian with western investment.

    Browden's family history and his renounced US citizenship add to the suspicion.
     
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    It's happening in all the western democracies and I have no idea whether it's just coincidence or a grand conspiracy. Rest assured that you are not alone in your frustrations.
     
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    Any evidence of that? You make it sound like Putin is the world's most corrupt bad-ass and other countries' leaders are paragons of virtue.
     
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    The UK is the patsy of the European Union, and has been ever since it was politicised. The other members are stricken with fear that we'll leave because of the £billions in annual subscriptions they'll be losing - although I daresay that the £40billion 'divorce bill' will placate them for a while. Our roads crumbling away, NHS on the brink, nursing homes for the elderly shutting down, food banks on every street corner where nurses are the most regular visitors, another 10 years of ****ing austerity, and I could go on, but we're going to hand over £40billion to a bunch of greedy bureaucrats. Margaret Thatcher would turn in her grave.
     
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    Just as unhelpful as to claim things that I did not say ... eh? ;-)

    Yes, China used its military power in the winter ... after repeatedly warning the United States and being ignored ... and after the US troops were virtually at the Chinese border.

    And yes, you did not use nuclear weapons, even though Mac Arthur had insisted on the use of Truman.
    And since the USSR already had nuclear weapons here and was the protector of China, it would have ended in a nuclear war and World War III ... what you and nobody on this planet wanted, including Stalin, Mao and Kim .... with Mao here more painless, as his well-known saying "who cares a few million dead Chinese?" shows.

    And as for Kim's nuclear arsenal, has it been around for how long?
    Has Trump ... except a little Bla Bla Bla with Kim in Singapore ... achieved anything so far?
     
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    Kims nukes have a short history

    You and all the other trump haters make no sense at all

    When it liiked like he might go to war you all **** in your pants

    But when he tries to disarm kim through sanctions and other non military means you sneer at him anyway

    I’m sure the germans will leap at the chance to help him evade the sanctions and continue the nuclear threat

    If war comes it will be yoyr faukt not ours
     
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    I said "by some estimates", nobody has specific evidence of exactly how much Putin has syphoned from Russia. We know he rose to power as Russia sold off Soviet industrial assets, we know many favored oligarchs were able to acquire significant assets and assume lucrative roles delivering services and products government industries previously provided and we know Putin had a role in the valuation of those privatized assets (as well as getting people like Browder to finance their private purchase). Billions changed hands.
     
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    I think I need to rename this thread:

    An American's Derangement Syndrome at the Political Forum.

    Got to love the Shadow Projection going on here...
     
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    Okay, so forget the $200 billion. Provide evidence for, say, just $1 billion? Or even half a billion?

    It was under Yeltsin's watch that the oligarchs grabbed their riches. When Putin took control he had all the oligarchs attend a meeting (this is quite well known btw) and presented them with a clear choice: keep their plunder and leave Russia and never return, or stay in Russia and hand-back their plunder. I understand everyone of them decided to leave.
     
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    He is the most corrupt bad ass on the planet, although many others are no paragons, including Dear Leader Trump.

    As to his suspected wealth, Have you seen Putin's houses or Medvedev's? I knew real estate was cheap in russia, but how they could possibly afford the UPKEEP alone on politician salaries is a real poser.
     
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    lol. You know what percentage of our own congress are millionaires? If not before they enter, then not long after they leave.

    And congress had to give presidents a pension because harry truman was so poor after he left office. Boy oh boy have the times changed!

    I am not sure putin is the most corrupt leader on this planet. In fact, I would say he looks more like an american politician than anything. Trump has not been a politician long enough to become corrupt politically. At most he is a corrupt capitalist, but ain't all of the big capitalists corrupt? I think that is a good possibility. Cannot get and sustain a growth in big riches without it. IMO
     
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    According to The Guardian (two years ago) they gleaned from those Panama Papers a $2 billion dollar money trail to Putin, they’ve got a diagram with the roles and identities of different parties:
     
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    I've never understood why a country like Great Britain, with at one time the most advanced culture in the world, who were the best of all Europe's colonizers, who gave these countries it's laws, science etc, would exchange it all for a pie in the sky mix with those who have usually been their historical belligerents and then - to top it off completely -decided to go all multi culti.

    The Germans, who were bombing London just a generation ago, are now your friends while your American Allies during this difficult time are now your enemies. More than just Margaret Thatcher would be turning in their graves for this.
     
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    So why mention it then? It's common knowledge that all leaders line their own pockets, but personally I believe Putin is one who is perfectly aware of the truism 'No matter how much money you have, you can't take it with you.' I actually believe that irrational greed is mainly a western mind set.
     
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    Please don't spam me - just ignore my posts and I'll ignore yours?
     
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    Eventually madness affects all civilizations, Fred, and it's our turn . . . yours as well? I think it's power that causes it; I mean even the beloved Maggie went a bit bonkers?
     

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