My patriotic orders is the truth. Like II said before I believe that people from Russia hacked into the DNC computers but I don't feel it changed any votes or cost Hillary the election. I am for bringing her to justice and anyone who helped her cover-up. If Trump is guilty of rigging the election I have no problem seeing him get justice. There are many good people working for the FBI but whitewashing the misdeeds of the leaders is unpatriotic. Do you believe the USA is guilty of interfering in other countries elections? If so, would you consider that unpatriotic?
I'm old enough to remember the CIA facilitating opium shipment out of the Golden Triangle and cocaine from South America so that drug addicts in the US could fund their operations. Who went to jail for breaking the law, or even lost his job? So much for the rule of law. They are laughing at you for believing them so incompetent. If you are not brainwashed, why do you persist in denying that the CIA and NSA are proven malefactors who have committed numerous crimes here and abroad?
Yep, me too. Iran/contra. Iran coup, chilean coup, all kinds of nasty and dastardly deeds done in the name of freedom. A few people were reassigned, a few people lost their jobs. This was an INSTITUTIONAL issue, not an individual criminal issue. Surely that enormous difference is enough "nuance" for you to discern? Yeah, laughing that they got caught with their pants around their ankles. /surely you are aware of what nervous guilty laughter sounds like. If they don't laugh at their incompetence somebody will wind up strangled in the backseat of their car. Why do you insist on these stupid strawman responses? Is it a habit like heroin that just can't be kicked, or is it simply you are caught in a tactical rut? Give yourself a shake and start proffering arguments of substance, oh wait, what am I saying. The agenda doesn't lend itself to substance, just bullshit, fallacy, deflection and displays of willful ignorance.
Doesn't work like that. 34 states can apply for an amendments convention, the output of which could be ratified in 38 state ratifying conventions, or by 38 state legislatures.
Thousands of lives ruined? A few hundred crack addicted babies? Dastardly deeds, to be sure! But you admire our intelligence services for their sterling record and adherence to the rule of law! Framing Trump is also for a good cause, right? A crime without criminals? Whoever gave the orders to spy on Americans committed crimes for which they should have been sent to jail. Because they are not "strawmen." I am trying to understand how anyone can maintain such untenable positions. Please help me. Why do you trust the intelligence services so much?
I think you may have a point here. As a Bernie supporter, I was motivated by your point, and deeply disappointed by Hillary's nomination. But I did take time to study her against Trump and thought deeply about how each would affect the nation as leader, and had to vote for Hillary as the better choice between the two. Seeing how Trump has behaved since becoming President, I am more than comfortable with my vote.
I can understand how many on the left wanted Bernie instead of Hillary. How did you reconcile the way she rigged the primary and give her your vote anyway! The anybody but Trump philosophy?
Trump is (I hope) a destructive force to the status quo. Once the old machine is dismantled we can rebuild it and try to do a better job. That has nothing to do with the constitution, it's the Washington methods of doing business. Lots of back washing and turned heads as they all get rich. They'll still get rich but maybe we can force them out of their comfort zones and into the light.
My concern here lies in the fact that Trump himself is one of the elite rich, and has demonstrated repeatedly, his propensity to make decisions based on financial rather than other more important considerations. He's not a good tool for the kind of change you seem to desire. For me personally, the only thing Trump has ever said that I actually agree with, is that we should return to the Moon. Politically, I oppose everything he stands for--not personally--but philosophically.
I've seen no evidence that Trump has a sense of history or cares about such esoteric subjects as democracy, checks & balances, human rights, compromise, compassion, etc. His limited range of concerns seem to be self-promotion, self-enrichment, having personal power over others, etc. Not the kind of man I want for President of my country.
While it's true he's rich he is not a part of the old guard politics. He is an agent of change because he can. We will just have to wait a bit to see if all the prophecies of gloom and doom are true but it's also true we may come out stronger and better off. The biggest complaint is that he doesn't have a clue how Washington works which is actually perfect. He stands for a stronger military, secure borders, lower taxes and a more level playing field in international markets. Sounds good to me.
Putin made a very good point. Until the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! desperation of the Democratic Party, American investments in - and profits from - Russia were growing exponentially. The USA was going to have a piece of Russia oil, Russian gas, and Russian growth. Instead, the radical red-scare insiders eliminated that - and the USA out of the picture. Instead, it will be Europe on the West and China and Asia on the East will benefit, for which the USA's foreign based income and sales are crashing worldwide. In my opinion, the 2 greatest foreign policy errors of the USA were: 1. China was our ally in WW2, including MAO, and Japan our enemy. Yet under the RED SCARE claim, we declared China literally does not exist and instead the Warlord army that fled to and military took over Taiwan was China - with that China offering us NOTHING in defense - and formed an alliance with Japan, while having Japan commit to having no military at all - this directly causing the Korean and then Vietnam wars. 2. When the USSR self-deconstructed, we has promised to welcome Russia into the Western fold with open arms and the prosperity and peace this would bring. If we had actually done so - formed an alliance with the new Democratic Russia Federation - it would have been the most powerful alliance on earth - and the trillions upon trillions of dollars on the Cold War and wars of it all avoided. Instead, we laughed and said "gotja!" to Russia, then urged and helped to destroy their Federation - while we had fought one of the deadly Civil Wars in our own history to stop sedition. I understand WHY the military industrial complex, CIA, NSA and FBI want the Cold War with Russia to last forever. It is worth TRILLIONS OF PERSONAL PROFIT DOLLARS, TRILLIONS OF GOVERNMENT AGENCY BUDGET DOLLARS - and has made the "intelligence community" so powerful with hundreds of thousands of government employees that most Democrats, many Republicans and nearly all members of Congress accept that it is the Intelligence community - not our elected officials, Constitution and Bill Of Rights - that is THE highest power - and than none dare question. In fact, the highest ranking Democrat - Chuck Schumer - declared no member of Congress nor the president should ever dare question anyone in "the intelligence community" or they WILL destroy you. In my opinion, the 2016 election was the last chance to save the USA from being a total federal police state with our intelligence community no different than the KGB - so powerful they literally got the law passed while Obama was president that they can have any American secretly imprisoned for life with no trial or simply have any American summarily assassinated - which has been done. The battle between President Trump and "the intelligence community" is the greatest crisis and danger this country has ever faced since the war of 1812.
The Democratic Party, the warmongers of both political parties and the "intelligence community," and the American MSM are AT WAR with our European allies wishes - who VEHEMENTLY, overwhelmingly oppose USA sanctions on Russia. In a survey published by Der Spiegel, 83 percent of Germans over 18 disapprove of the US’ planned expanded sanctions on Russia, with a mere six percent expressing approval. The poll, carried out by the Forsa Institute market research firm, asked 1,002 Germans over the age of 18 the following question: “The US wants to expand the economic campaigns against Russia so that companies from Germany and other European countries will also face penalties on the American market when they participate in or finance natural gas projects with Russia. Do you think it is right or wrong for the US expanding sanctions in this way?” The results of the survey, which was conducted from July 7 to 11, before the decision by Congress on Thursday to impose a new round of sanctions, also showed that 77 percent believe it was a self-interested move by the United States to strengthen its own economy. The German government has stood against the latest sanctions bill passed by Congress, which explicitly prioritizes the interests of US energy companies. “It remains the case that we will not accept an extraterritorial application of these US sanctions against European companies,”Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel told Der Spiegel on Friday. https://www.rt.com/news/397955-majority-germans-against-russia-sanctions/
The first omission is Trump is self-made. Uh no, Fred Trump was self-made. Donny took his daddies money and contributed to an empire that was already being built. That’s the opposite of self-made. Self-made means you start with nothing and make it into everything. Second half-omission is Trump is o my a little bit of a nationalist. Uh no, he is more of a nationalist than anything else who has demonstrated to subscribe to authoritarianism. His reckless tariffs, attacks on the First Amendment, plus recklessly pulling out of agreements without a substitute is proving why and how nationalism is dangerous. Trump has awakened the ugly, and let them out of their cage
Very True... He is also the result of uneducated people who believe our trouble is Muslims, or trade Wars, or North Korea. Those are distraction to keep Americans from pouncing on the FED, the politicians, banks, big corp tax cuts, and cuts for the rich. People write about these things because FOX news and the republican party tell them too. Meanwhile, Bernie is pushing a worthless 100% opposite agenda of socialism. Neither is right, and QE 4,5,6,7,and maybe 8 is coming after they slowly drop the interest rate as inflation sky rockets. The FED, Gov't are stuck between doing what can kick it down the road, or the fix. The Fix throws us headlong into a full blown depression, the opposite does the same thing only in 3 or 4 years, maybe longer. Everyone is going to get priced out of every product soon, that is the trigger now. The FED is trying to state their OBJECTIVE is 2% inflation. When it was 1%, (that was their objective). Thus, they bend the narrative to support the fact. Problem is both sides falling for the irrelevant info, there is no trade war, only the rich here who set the laws and allowed us to import goods cheap. That was both sides, and for years we heard, cheap goods are good for Americans. WHat it did is strip away 30M industrial jobs that paid well. Anyone against making the rich pay us out of this is wrong, they put us here.
No. As I've said in a former post, I evaluated the two choices the national parties gave me and Hillary was by far the lesser of the two evils. No one is perfect, but Trump's imperfections far outweigh Hillary's, as he constantly demonstrates daily from the White House. Over the past three days Trump has publicly sided with Putin over the American FBI, CIA and all professional intelligence agencies, while totally ignoring the massive pile of evidence convincing those agencies that Russia did in fact interfere with the 2016 election. Trump makes Presidential decisions based on what helps him personally in a financial way rather than what is best for the nation he is President of. Trump is NOT good for America, and America will NEVER be great under his leadership.
Trump himself is the worst example of a political leader using his office to make money for himself. I suspect his infatuation with Putin has a financial foundation too. He's wanted to build a Trump tower in Moscow for years. Putin must approve, so Trump's cozening up to Putin politically as President so Putin will open the door for that tower. Trump knows little and cares less about America as a nation or what it stands for. Trump cares about Trump. I am both amazed and bewildered that so many Americans can feel OK with supporting such a malignant personality as Trump for President of our nation.
Like I said you voted for anybody than Trump and gave the woman who dishonesty if not illegally rigged your primaries and made it so Bernie never stood a chance.
Perhaps you're right. But Hillary was VERY familiar with both politics and the world around her. She was a realist; and she worked mostly for the betterment of both the nation and its people. Sure, she had her flaws. We all do. But Trump has so many flaws it's difficult to find something to like. We were all forced to choose between two candidates for President. Any third candidate would be a wasted vote, and we all knew it. I had to select the one of those two I felt would represent the best aspects of our nation, and it certainly wasn't Trump the p___y grabber. At this point, 1 1/2 years into Trump's Presidency, I have a very difficult time understanding how anyone with any sense of personal or public ethics, could possibly still see anything in Trump deserving of their support. The only thing Trump is good at is promoting Trump. His ignorance of history, politics, government, science, religion or almost any other topic of conversation other than building large buildings with his own name on them, is monumental. One could say his ignorance is the only thing as overwhelming as his arrogance. He is the ONLY President in U.S. history to be a confirmed consummate liar. No, Hillary wasn't my first choice, but COMPARED TO TRUMP, Hillary was a saint.
So in other words you have her a pass for what she did to Bernie and how she stole the election from him. Question answered. Thank you.
While I agree with you that the primary system was rigged, I also acknowledge that my candidate Bernie Sanders was very familiar with that system and knew from the beginning what he was facing, yet committed himself anyway. I feel strongly the system needs major revision so new blood can enter the fray and have a legitimate chance of sucess. I don't like how Hillary won the nomination, but it is clear to me she was a better choice for President than the self-consummed Trump, who offered absolutely NOTHING in his campaign that I felt would improve America in any way. Additionally, I found his arrogant narcicism unpalpable.I still do.
Fair enough on your opinion of trump. I hold similar contempt for Hillary. I do think you are off base on blaming Bernie for what Hillary did in the primary though. I think he thought it was a free and fair election.
I do NOT blame Bernie for what Hillary did during the primaries. Hillary is responsible for her own behavior. I respect and admire Bernie both for his bravery and commitment during the primaries, as well as his innovative new ideas. Our electoral system is dysfunctional and needs major repair or abandonment. Between our first election in 1788 thru 1996, only two Presidents were elected thru the electoral college when they got the minority vote count. Since 1996, we've had two more. . .both Republican. The system isn't working as intended and needs to be fixed or rejected entirely.
OK because it sounded like you did when you said ", I also acknowledge that my candidate Bernie Sanders was very familiar with that system and knew from the beginning what he was facing, yet committed himself anyway." I didn't realize that Democrats primaries were always rigged and all the candidates knew it.
You are drawing your own conclusions here. I said what I did about Bernie knowing the situation because I admired him for leaping in anyway. The democratic superdelegates became the winning factor for Hillary in the primaries. I understand the reasons for the superdelegates--to allow those already elected to public positions to have more of a say in selecting candidates for the party. It's not a bad idea in theory. But it seems to limit the field for new political prospects, and post-Bernie, I no longer support it the way it is.
