I just want to say that I am truly sorry for all those years that I was close to believing in near total pacifism! Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua once asked a question of the Scribes and Pharisees that should have made it obvious to me that an extreme situation can call for drastic action by a Christian or Jew who feels called into a life in the military or police! I am almost certain that Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua was referring to the situation faced by the Machabees when Greco - Syrian armies were attacking Jewish communities on the Sabbath. One community had refused to fight back....but the Machabees....in my opinion correctly judged that this is a violation of an admonition by King Solomon:
So what do you personally think of this idea that perhaps Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was teaching his followers that they were not absolutely and dogmatically forbidden from becoming a police officer, soldier or centurion?
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=342469&page=34&p=1065702811&posted=1#post1065702811 Yes...… but I would have to warn my commanding officer that it would be wise for him or her to put me in a position where I can shoot people.......... in all good conscience. I am no longer an absolute pacifist - conscientious objector but...............… I still could not just shoot somebody simply because somebody ordered me to do so??????! I might.... shoot all around them..... but I could not shoot directly at them to hit them.... unless I felt it was truly necessary and ethical behaviour??????!
Life, all of life, is hardwired to respond and protect its life. This is intelligence, not murder. SO, if one kills in genuine self defense, the attacker who wants to kill you, this is not wrong. It is what the creator hardwired life to do. It is the other killing that is WRONG. Killing for a religious belief, for an ideological belief, killing our of greed, wanting what the other has, and so on. But we have killed millions since ww2, when we were killing for self defense, being attacked first. And we have been wrong in all of this killing since ww2. It was ok to go after AQ, the group that planned and executed 9-11, for this was self defense against attacks they promised would come. But we are wrong to go into Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and kill those who never attacked us. And all of this killing is what makes America, my country, the evil empire. For our gov't, and the people who support this killing which is not self defense are evil. That is just the fact. Yet we will invite to be attacked, as we have done, with our arrogant evil meddling, in other nations, on behalf of the business interests of our elites. We have a history of that. So if you go and stir up hatred, as we have done, and then act innocent, and blame the attackers, it's just as evil to do that. To beg to be attacked so we can wage perpetual war for perpetual peace. My country has not been a good neighbor. She has not set an example for the rest of the world, unless you want the rest of the world to have a fake democratic republic, and being ruled over by an oligarchy, which acts only in the interests of a group of very rich men which are only concerned with making their own pile of gold higher. And to invade other sovereign nations, with drummed up threats to America. In the interests of our rich elites. America, the land of the hypocrites. The nation that could set an example, but who's elites are only interested in piling up their gold higher. That is what we are. And that is the example we set. For actions always speak louder than words.
America has been a FANTASTIC neighbor to us Caucasian Canadians but wow........... America was not such a good neighbor to the 48 First Nations Tribes of the USA back during the time of one of my hero's........ President Lincoln??????!!!!! http://www.christianforums.com/thre...cans-from-a-canadian-and-a-thank-you.7653888/ An apology to all Americans from a Canadian, and a thank you! Some of my ancestors were Masons from Dixie who came to Country Harbour, Nova Scotia at the time of the American Revolution. I deeply appreciate the fact that so many Americans were closer to God than we Canadians tend to be and somehow your leaders were guided to not persecute us! I also wish to apologize for the fact that the leadership of my nation was less guided by the Holy Spirit and we did not understand how the independence of America was comparable to the division of the Northern Kingdom of Israel from the Southern Kingdom of Judah at the time of King Rehoboam the son of Solomon. I also wish to apologize for our elitism because it has been playing a significant role in your economic crash of 2008. If a higher percentage of Americans understood the full implications of truly wise monetary policy the world would begin to look quite different indeed! http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty49.htm Chapter 49 — The History of Banking Control in the United States
Well said One Mind! In a way....... America's political left has been making an error that is a bit like the group of Jews at Masada...... who apparently didn't have one surviving metaphorical "Machabee" who felt free on the Sabbath to shoot an arrow? The Romans constructed a bridge up to Masada each Sabbath.... because on that day the Jews would not fire arrows or rocks at them! Political correctness can manifest in a way that would remind us of extreme religious beliefs! http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-us-world-news/445670-americas-political-left-war-cia-nsa.html Is America's political left at war with the CIA - NSA? Does the Democratic Party make it extremely difficult for America most well trained operatives to do what they need to do to protect Americans from terrorists?
I'm confused. Because of Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua you came to this conclusion that you needed to apologize to the police or military? Being a pacifist myself I don't understand the rational. Pacifist means you dislike conflict and do as much as you can to avoid it, but I never heard of pacifists being actively insulting or fighting various police officers or military personal. Also I'd differ between the two. The one protects you as an individual from your own community, and the other protects your community from other communities. Neither really chooses in what way they achieve that or where they are set. It's always a higher power (i.e. government) who makes the rules. The problem is if the government is full of war and conflict hungry people.
Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was himself a pacifist......... but it seems that he was attempting to make it clear to the religious authorities of his time period that they could not condemn or look down on somebody who felt called into a career in the military or police. IF........ the Machabees were correct in their judgment that it was necessary under their extreme conditions to fight back when attacked on the Sabbath then.......... this would make it clear that for the Scribes and Pharisees to condemn him for healing on the Sabbath was twisted reasoning. The part of his question about "saving life on the Sabbath" is relevant to nurses and doctors. Religious people should have a sense of hierarchy of law........ and put human life above the Sabbath. But...... sometimes a police officer must take a life.... .even on the day that they regard as the Sabbath....... in order to protect many innocent people. IF.... the Jewish rebels at Masada had had a few Machabees among them...... who felt it was OK to shoot a few arrows..... even on the Sabbath..... they might have been able to stop the Romans from building a bridge to their stronghold! Religion....... if taken to an extreme...... tends to KILL WISDOM!
But it is amazing how many police officers and soldiers go off on a guilt trip after taking a life...... even though they were doing their best to defend others who could not defend themselves. So what I teach...... needs to be very accurate......... so as not to give an exaggerated impression on this important question.
NO. The FBI record shows that the terrorist events in the USA are by far and away perpetrated by white supremacist related groups based in the USA. The issue is police behavior. Are you arguing in favor of the policemen who murdered Floyd, a civilian who was accused of a nonviolent crime and who was totally subdued well before he was murdered? Do you believe that police should have total free reign to kill whom they will? Minneapolis has had police leadership that has declared themselves to be white supremacists. Is THAT an indication of what we need in our police force? Are such people those to whom we should give total rights of executing citizens? This is not about riots. In Minneapolis there were protestors who were calling on the Minneapolis and state police to show up and stop those who were rioting. They did not show up. The proble here is that there are major prolbmes with policemen executing nonviolent civilians across our nation. There are undoubtedly a lot of "good" police forces, too, but that doesn't cover for the murders by policemen that are taking place all across America. Also, i find your idea of bringing religion into this on the side of murdering people of color in America to be startling.
You're confusing two different things. Minneapolist DOES need a police force. But, Minneapolis is RIGHT in determining that they do NOT need the police force they have today. And, that is the question so many cities face (or need to face) today.
This topic was created back in 2015. But it is relevant for today for many reasons. China knew that they would eventually get events like this by dumping Fentanyl at a low cost on the USA and Canadian markets. How Fentanyl Gets To The U.S. From China (HBO) Americans need to be aware that this was planned in the sense that an all out attempt is being made to destroy the USA economy both through COVID 19 as well as by low cost powerful drugs. Soros and others like him are paying activists to cause the rioting to be escalated because the goal is to wreck the USA economy and destroy the USA petro-dollar. I believe that philosophy gives us the most effective remedy for racism. What is that white guy doin in my head? (Past life regression under hypnosis).
Wow!! Past lives, Soros, Fentanyl, SARS, big oil, assaults on the US economy (since this is all about America, I guess)... PLUS a giant blender!! You're really in your element!
